EVE General Discussion

CCP, why do I have to wait a full month before I can craft or research at my favorite station? It's like I chopped the wood and made the work bench, but, the workbench went on strike! Why you no work?

Except, you didn't make the workbench. The workbench is a public utility. There's a queue.


Either go lowsec, join a corporation or make your own corporation, or wait in the queue.

These public slots are horrible as it is. They counter the whole corporation aspect of eve.

The problem with industry is that it is almost non existent in null sec except building titans.

+1 for OP.

Industry is one of the ultimate click-fests. The amount of windows you have to go through JUST to perform ANY industry task is utterly ridiculous. People saying it's complicated to stop everyone from doing it clearly have never tried it. It's the limitations of the number of tasks you can perform which limit production, not the utterly tedious click-fest.

1. Reduce number of windows required to ONE for every task. I've never understood why we need several different windows to perform ONE task.
2. Reduce clickage massively.
3. Here's a REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. Allow cost estimates based on the lowest price for materials. With the option to base estimate on lowest prices within Current System, 1 jump, 2, jumps, 3 jumps, etc.. these options should be available from the blueprint window.
4. You should also be able to automatically order required minerals for a BP based on the number of runs you want to provide for, and the number of jumps you are prepared to travel to pick them up.

I think industry UI is second to the Market windows in terms of being unintuative and time-wasting. Slowing down rates of production is NO JUSTIFICATION for it at all. it is stupid.

As someone who deals with POS's far too regularly, I whole heartedly disagree with this. Saving a few pennies here and there was not worth the mind-numming irritation of dealing with changing and different fuel requirements in every pos for no reason. This was by far a 'good thing' and not just dumbing down.

That being said, everyone is entitled to their own perspective, but likewise, don't just make a blanket statement that something is worse because you think so.

Eve needs more divisions of labor, more specialization with regards to industry. more layers in the "build" process, from mining to ship building. More components, more raw materials, even for T1 things, in fact especially for T1 things. Industry is too "easy" and homogenized.

the only industry change we will get is removing it from hisec. the profitable ones at least.

I will welcome this change because finally there will not be anything for me to do in this game which means more time spent productively.

I'm thinking something along the lines of this (or maybe something a bit less cluttered… it's just a first attempt).

Just drag and drop BPs from your asset/hangar/corp assets/whatever window into the available slots — the game will instantly tell you if you can indeed install the BP that way — and then adjust the setup by either dragging the slider or by typing in the amount/stat/time you want to arrive at (which for manufacturing would directly and continuously update the materials requirements, and show check-marks to signify if you have enough in the selected hangar or not).

I think that a key part of making industry more bearable is to greatly reduce the apparent complexity and many-special-use-design of asset management. If you have the skills for remote access, it should make exactly zero difference where your stuff is in terms of how you can manipulate it so that you can drag and drop things between remote locations from any window that shows a list of what's available at the various locations.

The problem right now is (almost) all in selecting a source station for a BP, selecting an input location for the materials, selecting an output location for the result… and each of these selections have its own special-case asset list that is completely separated from all other lists, and that's before you can even begin to manipulate the mix you're trying to set up. To make things worse, the feedback on what you're attempting doesn't happen until you've clicked through all that and then try to start it — only then are you told that, no, you can't do that, please click a lot more and try again.

Drag-and-drop; instant feedback; relevant information immediately available — that's what's needed, I think.

I also deal with POSes, including crappy logistics nigthmare ones. I don't mind having to use 1 more braincell to manage fuel, when it can save me some travels in dangerous areas. But I know, freedom at choosing is not trendy any more, we have to be streamlined.





That's exactly what I did, my first POS was a Dread Guristas medium POS I setup years ago and it self paid just fine.
Making money in EvE used to be harder than now, it took me 1 month to go from 50M to 1B in wallet, these days you probably need 2 weeks (oh wait, people now are so bad that need to pay a PLEX to get ISK).

I am getting vexed by this obtuse view....

It is a common misnomer to think of "industry" and production in terms of "profit". The act of setting up jobs and converting your minerals to finished product is Industry an is only related to profit by what you choose to sell things for.

The market is what you sell things for, and any profit is clearly upto you depending on where you sell your product, what price you got your minerals or value them at, plus the effort of the actual industry part.

Reducing the effort in terms of number of clicks is a good thing for everyone. Only someone completely stupid would want to persevere with a ridiculously difficult unintuitive interface just to put other people off doing Industry, since the competition for profit you're concerned about is actually in the "market" (you numpties).

If you want to increase effort on the industry part I'd suggest looking at mineral hauling/reprocessing rates etc etc since it is too easy to get minerals to where you want right now.

Otherwise restructure market orders as was suggested years ago with corporate storefronts, branding or some other method for folks to have preferred vendors instead of the 0.01 ISK wars that perpetuate right now.