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EVE Online: Crucible 1.2 Feedback

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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#181 - 2012-02-18 18:59:51 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
We've fixed this issue internally - the fix should be out in the very near future.
Thanks for the fix Snorlax.

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#182 - 2012-02-19 03:17:47 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Locking of overview is pure win. Now I don't have to try to lock stations and celestials all the time. And holy hell, how did I even manage to select Jita 4-4 or Hek 12 before this change.



This says it all really. For missions or navigating busy systems when you dont have situational overview tabs properly set up the new mouse over lock is probably an improvement to their experience.

Not to my pvp experience though. Had an 100v100 fight earlier and i was constantly moving the mouse from off the overview just to keep track of ranges and new additions and movements within the enemies nano fleet.
Mouse over locking is hideous for pvp even if locking itself is almost essential.

I say again, overview lock toggle, i dont care how hard it is to do, just get it done. Just tell us how you intend to do it first so we can tell you if its well implemented or another botch...

Thanks.
Lucas Quaan
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#183 - 2012-02-19 10:09:30 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Make the assholes who just come here to comment on other peoples feedback go away tbh.

You first?



You post the quotes where i was commenting on others opinions of which there are non, and ill quote all ranger 1's and inepsa's posts. Thanks.

Sure, I snipped it from the quote of your original post, but here's you commenting on the opinion of someone else.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I think you should stick to thinking for yourself instead of telling other people what to think.

hth
Karia Sur
Quay Industries
#184 - 2012-02-19 10:48:53 UTC
Ive played around with this for a couple of days now and have to admit the overview locking is a PITA and either needs removing, or at the very least making optional to the user.
Medicated Maniac
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#185 - 2012-02-19 11:25:21 UTC
Karia Sur wrote:
Ive played around with this for a couple of days now and have to admit the overview locking is a PITA and either needs removing, or at the very least making optional to the user.

This!
brammator
SUB ZERO.
#186 - 2012-02-19 12:30:06 UTC
Tried to have some activities with new overview lock.

Small pvp is horrible. Too much time need to move mouse out and put it back.

Mass pvp is.. well.. can't put it straight. I would prefer toggle switch, or hold-to-lock button (aside from "lock target" button) Maybe both.

Mining is bad. I need to jettison it, then wait until new jetcan pops in upper part of overview, only then I could doubleclick it to open, and rename it to current timestamp. And I have more jetcans at once than can fit into overview height.

Jetcan gathering, however, is good: now I snatch one jetcan (say, "1412"), move mouse to overview and double-click next one ("1413") without problem. Previously, can might have to be destroyed (due soul emptiness and sadness) so my double-click become "one click to 1413, one to 1414" -- was very frustrating.

So I definitely would keep "mouseover locking" turned on in rorq window, off on hulks and switched furiously on pvp/cta main.

And while ellipses were bad, they still weren't as bad as "trauma missiles"
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#187 - 2012-02-19 12:52:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Make the assholes who just come here to comment on other peoples feedback go away tbh.

You first?



You post the quotes where i was commenting on others opinions of which there are non, and ill quote all ranger 1's and inepsa's posts. Thanks.

Sure, I snipped it from the quote of your original post, but here's you commenting on the opinion of someone else.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I think you should stick to thinking for yourself instead of telling other people what to think.

hth


Thats completely dishonest since that came from the very post replying to him after he told me that my opinion was unnecessary. You are trying too hard.

GD is ----> if you want to fail troll any further.
Lucas Quaan
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#188 - 2012-02-19 13:18:41 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
You post the quotes where i was commenting on others opinions of which there are non, and ill quote all ranger 1's and inepsa's posts. Thanks.

Sure, I snipped it from the quote of your original post, but here's you commenting on the opinion of someone else.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I think you should stick to thinking for yourself instead of telling other people what to think.

hth


Thats completely dishonest since that came from the very post replying to him after he told me that my opinion was unnecessary. You are trying too hard.

GD is ----> if you want to fail troll any further.

His commenting on your feedback (he was actually phrasing it as a question, though) does not make you any less of a hypocrite for doing that exact thing and then calling him on it in the very same post.

On the trolling, I gave my feedback in this thread already and if you look closely got exactly what I wanted in the next client patch, so I'm up 1-0 so far. Not saying your request isn't reasonable and probably will get implemented too eventually, but in the meantime I'll just enjoy the ride.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#189 - 2012-02-19 17:32:28 UTC
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
You post the quotes where i was commenting on others opinions of which there are non, and ill quote all ranger 1's and inepsa's posts. Thanks.

Sure, I snipped it from the quote of your original post, but here's you commenting on the opinion of someone else.

Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I think you should stick to thinking for yourself instead of telling other people what to think.

hth


Thats completely dishonest since that came from the very post replying to him after he told me that my opinion was unnecessary. You are trying too hard.

GD is ----> if you want to fail troll any further.

His commenting on your feedback (he was actually phrasing it as a question, though) does not make you any less of a hypocrite for doing that exact thing and then calling him on it in the very same post.

On the trolling, I gave my feedback in this thread already and if you look closely got exactly what I wanted in the next client patch, so I'm up 1-0 so far. Not saying your request isn't reasonable and probably will get implemented too eventually, but in the meantime I'll just enjoy the ride.


Well done stating so clearly that you are here to troll the thread...

Time to clean up ccp?
Dek Kato
Be Nice Inc.
Prismatic Legion
#190 - 2012-02-19 20:58:56 UTC
Please CCP, please please please for the love of all that is good, please make hover locking overview optional. Please. This is so terrible.
Lucas Quaan
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#191 - 2012-02-19 21:12:59 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Well done stating so clearly that you are here to troll the thread...

No, just you since you are also disrupting it by making snide remarks at others giving their feedback. Quid pro quo, my dear friend.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#192 - 2012-02-19 21:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Lucas Quaan wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Well done stating so clearly that you are here to troll the thread...

No, just you since you are also disrupting it by making snide remarks at others giving their feedback. Quid pro quo, my dear friend.


I havent made any snide remarks to anyone who was simply giving feedback. I may have told someone to keep their opinions of MY feedback to themselves but that is a different thing all together.

Also, since the guy you are talking about was the second guy to come here and tell people that their opinions of the changes were ill informed and hasty i had little patience to repeat the same 2 pages of posts again. My feed back is not ill informed or hasty. Overview locking on mouse over is not productive to situational awareness in pvp, no amount of time will ever make it preferential to a toggle.

Since this is a feedback thread, not a criticize other peoples feedback thread, i dont think its out of order me telling someone to keep their opinions of other peoples feedback to themselves.

You on the other hand gave feedback, got a fix. One which benefits me too since i dual-screen. Then you stayed around to troll while me and other users wait for a fix to the underlying problems... Have fun with that :)
Master Akira
Licence To Kill
Mercenary Coalition
#193 - 2012-02-19 22:50:45 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Master Akira wrote:
You know what bug you reintroduced AGAIN?

The "Video driver has stopped responding and has restarted" one. The one that happens on every jump, bridge and undock.

Is this on an Intel HD graphics card? If so, we are aware of this elusive bug and are still looking for a solution. We don't have an inhouse repro of this, making it difficult to find ways to work around this.

Any details you can give might help me in tracking this down - hardware specs (including driver version), settings you've tried, what system(s) you're in, etc.



Sure. I made a petition with my alt addressed to you as "ATTN CCP SNORLAX - HD Intel crash", described what happened and included a logserver file where the error happens.

Please confirm you got the petition and the file, and let me know if you need something else.
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#194 - 2012-02-20 16:48:22 UTC
Thanks for the info, Master Akira.

I still have no repro but I made a minor change that goes in the next client update - we'll see if that makes any difference.

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
Galmalmin
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#195 - 2012-02-20 19:46:04 UTC
I play on a laptop for the last several years. I usually have 5 clients running on the laptop, 4 miners (Hulks) and a hauler (Rorqual or Orca). Since the release of Crucible, I am no longer able to run that many clients simultaneously, maybe 3, but with very low frame rates. The only thing that has changed on the laptop is the eve update to Crucible. Even the latest updates have not helped the situation.

My laptop:

Gateway P-7805u (17" screen)

Intel Core 2 Duo CPU P8400 (@2.26 Ghz & 2.27 Ghz)

8G Ram

64-bit OS Vista Home Premium Service pack 1

Nvidia Geforce 9800M GTS, Cuda, 1 GB video card

EVE is being run at minimal graphics on all clients.

Yes, it is getting older, but up through January, I was able to run multiple clients to play as I want, now, not so much. I use my task manager to close those apps not needed to run EVE so there is minimal invasion by them to take up CPU or RAM.

The main issue is FPS, usually sub 10fps, but will slow to a stop and one or more clients become unresponsive. Running 2 clients gets me to an average of about 13FPS.

I understand my laptop is getting up in age, but I thought you should know regardless.

Galmalmin
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#196 - 2012-02-20 20:28:33 UTC
Galmalmin, I'm sorry to hear this.

I'll see if I can get access to a similar hardware setup and do some analysis, see if I spot anything obvious. All the tests I've done on newer video cards have shown considerable performance improvements so I'm surprised to hear this. Hopefully I can give you back some FPSes before too long!

CCP Snorlax - Software Architect - Team RnB - @CCP_Snorlax - http://ccpsnorlax.blogspot.is/
LuisWu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#197 - 2012-02-20 21:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: LuisWu
¿Its the delay in the overview working as intended or its a bug?

I mean the 1-2 seconds of delay between , for example, a ship decloaks after crossing a gate and its selecteable in the overview.

It happens even with the overview unlocked.

F*** This Game
Tesker Flant
The ReeRee Clinic
#198 - 2012-02-20 21:37:46 UTC
LuisWu wrote:
¿Its the delay in the overview working as intended or its a bug?

I mean the 1-2 seconds of delay between , for example, a ship decloaks after crossing a gate and its selecteable in the overview.

It happens even with the overview unlocked.


same problem here. new overview is worse in ever way. i see targets listed @0km on my d-scan and in space a couple seconds before my overview decides to show them. overview has gone from bad to worse
Galmalmin
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#199 - 2012-02-20 23:22:40 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Galmalmin, I'm sorry to hear this.

I'll see if I can get access to a similar hardware setup and do some analysis, see if I spot anything obvious. All the tests I've done on newer video cards have shown considerable performance improvements so I'm surprised to hear this. Hopefully I can give you back some FPSes before too long!


Additional info for you Sir, I am using Nvidia driver 260.89 because the newer drivers lock up the game, and others, completely. I have no idea why, but I have downloaded and installed each completed driver, ran my games, got locked up, installed the next driver and so on... and that old driver is the latest one that will work.(that was a lot of work, installing and reinstalling).

Galmalmin
Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#200 - 2012-02-21 04:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahz Niverrah
Is it me or is the small font option on the overview a lot smaller now? As in.. too small? And the standard font still gargantuanly big.

I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main.