EVE General Discussion

Perchance could your stuffs find their way into my hangar good fellow?

Optinal video #4
Just start new character and show him buying skillbooks and watching skill queue for 6 months long. Finally undocks, but its server downtime.

Unfortunately the only way a noob can PvP in this game solo seems to either be through covert ops and smart bombs, there are gate camps at each major chokepoint towards 0.0 space, to get past them you need to use a shuttle/pod, if you want PvP I would suggest going for low sec since the odds will be fairer against you thanks to the turrets at the stargates that 0.0 players really seem to hate for some reason.



Sorry, but that's not incompetence, that's called imbalance and it's about time you lot suck up and admit to it, high sec was his own fault but a noob player can only properly get around in low sec or 0.0 is through shuttles/pods/cloaked, anything else is suicide on your own.

Please don't give bad advice to new players.

A fast frigate (I recommend the Vigil) with a speed fit including a microwarp drive and a cloak will get you past all but the most determined gate camps.

This game isn't very friendly to solo play - being solo ranges from boring (in highsec) to mostly running away from everything (in lowsec) to suicidal unless you're really damn good (in nullsec). It's always been that way and probably always will - and the more I see the 'traditional' MMOs become single-player games with sub fees the less I think of the focus on grouping as a problem.

The shock of going from "You're a big damn hero because all the NPCs say so and you can smite anything you run across with ease and nothing bad could ever possibly happen!" to "Welcome to New Eden, where nobody including the NPCs give two craps about you and you can actually lose stuff if you screw up but you're free to do pretty much whatever you want" has always been the biggest hurdle for new players, and I don't think any amount of polishing up tutorials will really do anything about it - EvE is something you either understand and enjoy or you don't pretty quickly, and again it's always been that way.

(note that grouping in this sense means being in a decent corp and having decent blues, not in a fleet 100% of the time, though that may or may not be your cup of tea)

Isn't the point more that it's kind of false advertising? The whole point of a sandbox is that you start out as a schlub, and in EVE you are a mere worm until you get some skills, get taken under peoples' wings, etc., etc. - i.e. until you've invested some time in CCP's magnificently well-disguised timesink.

This is totally unlike themepark MMOs where you're the Big Hero, the centre of attention (along with 11 million others of course :) ) from the beginning.

Yet sometimes the promo videos present the idea that you're the Big Hero just like in other MMOs.

More "realistic" promo videos would show something more like someone working their way up the ranks, taking time, etc., etc.

That's what the OP seemed to be suggesting to me anyway.

fictional scenario: a good thread on eve-o

nobody will know how to respond since it has never happened

There should just be a message box that pops up the second you load a new character for the first time that explains what the system security scores mean and what happens when you misbehave in 0.5 and up. You'll still get people who "derp, tdlr man" but at least you can say it was there.

The adverts for the game love to show how much sandboxery goes on (and it does). But they still have a ways to go before they show you how to dodge the minefield in your way.

There should be a tutorial detailing the difference between security systems. Maybe even get the blown up by CONCORD to show that is what happens to bad people in highsec and maybe get shot at by gate guns to show the big difference between highsec and lowsec.

I'll counter the OP's fictional scenario, with a real one:

* Player (me) reads up about EVE Online on mmorpg.com. Joins the game with then intention to be a thief, pirate, scammer, corp thief, any kind of low life scum (as the game is depicted to be home for that kind of gameplay, in a harsh dark world). Start the game by doing contract scams and stealing from cans in highsec.
* Managing to **** off the locals, who scramble some 200 total angry guys perma-camping this player in stations.

..but unlike the OP's fictional scenario, this story has a good end:

* Player learns to pick your fights, not going up against blobs, not pissing in your own backyard, not assuming industrialists are defenseless etc.. - bad. Player learn a lesson and develop into a (hopefully) smarter player.
* Player realises that cooperating with industrialists, even for a thief and combat character, might have it's benefits.
* After seing his brother getting shot down in highsec, he also realises there's no real 'safe' in this game, just like guides described this game, but also that there is CONCORD in certain security space.

TL;DR - If CCP stopped dumbing this game down to WoW in space, maybe we'd get players of the real caliber who actually wants to play EVE Online, not shape this into something it isn't. And maybe crybabies like the OP would stick to a family friendly mmo instead.