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Gila: Baby Ishtar?
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Kaos Deimos
THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS
Shadow Ultimatum
#1 - 2012-02-18 05:39:50 UTC
Hey guys!
Been looking for a decent tank/secondary dps ship for multibox plexing and recently settled on the Ishtar as the ship to use to that end. Which is all fine and dandy except that I can't fly it the way I'd like to for a good 50 days. Which means that in the mean time I need a stop gap because somebody will end up dead if I have to use that drake again.
Now I happened to be looking for a new toy and was browsing the faction cruisers. Which is where I stumbled upon the Gila. The drone capabilities mixed with the possibility of a good tank had me intrigued. So I pulled up my EFT and got to work. This is what I turned out and would like a 2nd pair of eyes to make sure I haven't created a steaming pile of crud.

[Gila, Baby Ishtar]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Pith B-Type Heat Dissipation Field
Pith B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Pith B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Ogre I x5
Garde I x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
With apox a week of training these are the numbers I came up with:

912 DPS Tank (Gurisas)
205m/s (508 w/ AB)
7m 23s cap (stable w/o AB)
78.7% Therm, 92.3% Kin (ones that matter in this case)
409 DPS outgoing

imho this looks good on paper. Not entirely sure what to do with the extra high slots (if anything) but was wondering if it was worth it.
Thanks in advance for the input!
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-18 05:47:09 UTC
Yeah, the Gila works pretty well for that sort of thing. You just tank it like a Drake and fill it up with drones. You might want to switch to passive resist amps if you're using the SPRs though, since they kill the cap (that AB can help a lot with tank).

For a little bit of comparison, here's a nice and cheap Gila fit I've used for lowsec Angel exploring that seems to work ok:
[Gila, Lowsec]
Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Domination Explosion Dampening Field
Experimental 10MN Afterburner
Codebreaker I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Nova Fury Heavy Missile
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Salvager I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Berserker I x5
Bouncer I x5
Warrior II x5
Valkyrie II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-02-18 06:12:08 UTC
It'll fit around the same damage (little bit of a bonus with missiles equipped) and roughly similar tank omni wise (a little behind on the kinetic) but will cost slightly more if I remember my market costs correctly.

Nice ship though, I used one for a while in sanctums when I got sick of staring at my Ishtar.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Kaos Deimos
THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS
Shadow Ultimatum
#4 - 2012-02-18 06:25:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaos Deimos
Well if i switch out the Kinetic hardeners to the Pith C-types (didn't think the B's were almost 100mil each) the finnal count for cost comes out to 347mil. That being said, all it takes is a good plex drop and I could buy like 4 of these. So cost isn't really a concern in this case.
The change here affects some of the stats as well.
The cap now lasts 16minutes with the AB on (win!) and the tank sits at 928 (misquoted in OP, was supposed to be 991dps tank).
Which isn't all bad as its a trade off of tank for stability.

EDIT: also misquoted the AB speed, was supposed to read 584
Bent Barrel
#5 - 2012-02-18 06:48:27 UTC
no, not baby ishtar, big ishtar. it does not have the fitting problems an Ishtar has while retaining all the pros. you can even armor tank it of sorts .... did I mention same price and less skill intensive ?
Dbars Grinding
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-02-18 08:39:26 UTC
not sure why people talked me into training for a ishtar instead of a gila. I think i got trolled. :(

I have more space likes than you. 
FlameGlow
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-02-18 10:18:50 UTC
Use battleship AB and as long as you're not webbed you can laugh at pretty much any number of guristas shooting you
Like so - stable with AB(if you don't have skills to do, use regular Zor's implant, that dirt cheap one with + to AB duration), still tanks around 400 dps while stationary even with just T2 everything
[Gila, passive 100 AB]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II

Assault Missile Launcher II, Trauma Light Missile
Assault Missile Launcher II, Trauma Light Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Ogre II x5
Ogre II x3
Hammerhead II x7
Warrior II x10
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Brian D'Illusion
Scan Stakan
HOLD MY PROBS
#8 - 2012-02-18 10:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Brian D'Illusion
Here is my Gila. It gives the tank an explosion in 1000 and 500 on the kinetics ( 650/350 without skills that bonus give resistance). Heavy launchers for aggression from the pocket. With AB - Stable. In my opinion a good ship for the exploration and missions running, ofc only against Angel faction.

[Gila, New Setup 1]
Shield Flux Coil II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon Afterburners
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher I, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Valkyrie II x5
Warrior II x5
Berserker II x5
Bouncer II x5
Kaos Deimos
THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS
Shadow Ultimatum
#9 - 2012-02-18 15:23:20 UTC
Awesome to see that I'm not the only one who has looked into doing this. Totally gonna use this and probably gonna post my fit up on Batteclinic. Thanks for the help guys! (totally gonna save that 100MN AB fit too lol)
Kaos Deimos
THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS
Shadow Ultimatum
#10 - 2012-02-18 15:27:03 UTC
I'll make another post in about a week when the skills i want to fly this properly (namely Gal Cruisers 4) have finished training to give my impression of how it flyies. But so far to anybody thinking of doing this themselves this seems like the way to go until you an Ishtar (possibly even when you have it?) Big smile
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#11 - 2012-02-18 16:41:59 UTC
Bent Barrel wrote:
no, not baby ishtar, big ishtar. it does not have the fitting problems an Ishtar has while retaining all the pros.


T2 resists?
Kaos Deimos
THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS
Shadow Ultimatum
#12 - 2012-02-18 17:01:39 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
T2 resists?

76.4%Therm
90.8%Kin
Thing is you would need a 1% cpu implant even with lvl 5 skills (that becomes 4% with my skills)
I use the Faction stuff mostly because I can afford to.
GF07M8
#13 - 2012-02-18 20:26:53 UTC
Ishtar is better at kin/therm and has the option of pimp fit and getting a bunch of Omnis for better sentry coverage. Gila can sport a better omnitank outside it's native resistance profile but has to use mids to tank.

If you are trained for one and not the other, you're doing it wrong.
Kaos Deimos
THE GOLDEN KNIGHTS
Shadow Ultimatum
#14 - 2012-02-18 20:51:21 UTC
GF07M8 wrote:
Ishtar is better at kin/therm and has the option of pimp fit and getting a bunch of Omnis for better sentry coverage. Gila can sport a better omnitank outside it's native resistance profile but has to use mids to tank.

If you are trained for one and not the other, you're doing it wrong.



This isn't meant to replace the Ishtar but merely be a steppingstone towards it. 99% of the skills you would train for this fit are ones that you need for the Ishtar to be worth it anyways. The exception to this being Caldari Cruiser. This is also not meant to solo plexes. I "solo" plexes by bringing my main in a tempest (soon to be mach) after this has all the aggro in the room. As for the skills. I can fit this as is and fill the role that i'm looking for in about a week of training on this character. Whereas if I was to go straight for the Ishtar, the hull alone would take me 50 days of training plus that extra week of or more of drone skills that I'd want. This is merely meant to be a stepping stone to use while you train for the Ishtar hull.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-02-18 21:50:53 UTC
I always throw a sentry dmg rig on my gilas. Plenty of tank with just two purger rigs.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#16 - 2012-02-18 22:00:44 UTC
[Gila, nano mission]

Drone Link Augmentor I
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Rocket Launcher II, Foxfire Rocket
Salvager I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Power Diagnostic System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warden II x5
Hornet II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

This is a fit I used to use, since it doesn't have the shield rigs and has nanos it can usually warp before getting locked by anything bigger than a frig in lowsec, The omni tracking link can swap out for a codebreaker, point, etc as the situation dictates, and while it takes some time to get to speed once you do very little can touch you.

It is cap stable for me, but I don't remember if it needed implants to be that way, I usually run with snakes and a few hardwirings on fits like this.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-19 02:09:55 UTC
Dbars Grinding wrote:
not sure why people talked me into training for a ishtar instead of a gila. I think i got trolled. :(



Ishtar is faster and has a lower signature radius, can be fit for higher DPS, can fit sentry rigs without gimping its tank. Fit for armor tanking, you can use omnidirectional tracking links. A Gila often has trouble fitting even one drone link.

Gila is easier to fly (in terms of skill-points as well as being a a no-brainer to fly).
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-02-19 02:26:16 UTC
Both ships are fantastic; I find that the ishtar is harder to fit for an EM shield resistance fit but pretty easy in it's native Kin/therm or explosive.

They're both going to do similar damage, but the Gila can fit 2 purgers and a sentry damage augmentor which is nice.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.
Bent Barrel
#19 - 2012-02-20 06:24:24 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Dbars Grinding wrote:
not sure why people talked me into training for a ishtar instead of a gila. I think i got trolled. :(



Ishtar is faster and has a lower signature radius, can be fit for higher DPS, can fit sentry rigs without gimping its tank. Fit for armor tanking, you can use omnidirectional tracking links. A Gila often has trouble fitting even one drone link.

Gila is easier to fly (in terms of skill-points as well as being a a no-brainer to fly).





Thing is, Gila is not meant to be using sentries .... so no drone link needed. also 60km control range without drone links is not enough ?