Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Of course I'm not saying PVE should be excempt from non-consensual PVP, I'm not ********. Nullsec is dangerous, and it should remain dangerous (even though some ******** **** will claim it's all rainbows and fairies up in nullsec). What I am against is the ******** idea that if you remove local, nullsec will become some sort of PVP heaven overnight, with no detrimental side-effect on the population that actually lives there.

If you actually want to remove local, or remove certain ships from local, then you'd better be prepared to either up the rewards heftily or watch nullsec depopulate. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if null'd depopulate a bit still even if rewards were upped heftily, because some carebears are wholly risk-adverse, but at least there'd be a chance others might be tempted. Ingvar can mutter and grumble as much as he'd like about how the people who would end up leaving "weren't supposed to be there anyways", but I'm going to maintain, and keep maintaining, that those people need to be there, if only just to be a target for roaming gangs, a gigantic source of tears when someone burns their entire space to the ground, and finally (and just as importantly) to make space actually appear not quite empty.

And when it comes to what you just said, "pay attention to local and intel channels", this is paramount. Nullsec is where players make the rules, and make up how secure the space is. The security out there is just as good as players make it, and you know as well as everyone that a few minutes' (or even seconds) inattentiveness at the wrong time can (and will) end up in a lossmail.

Never, ever, talk about removing incursions from hisec. They serve a fairly important function in teaching hisec people how to actually work in PVP-style gangs, without necessarily losing a ship. Tone down the rewards, sure, but don't ever talk about removing them. And I wish I could turn off the incursion chat channel popping up, because oh my god the SMSish bullshit that goes on in there is mindboggingly awful.

As to even toning down the rewards, there'll be a fucktonne of bitching about it if CCP does it, but I'd assume it'd be for the betterment of the game as a whole if it was. However, I do not have numbers to back that up, but I'd be highly for a migration of rewards to nullsec instead of hisec. Obviously.

I see no help in increasing NPC corp tax, my alts are in one corp to facilitate purchasing things all over the common markets when I see an opportunity for market ****. Yay corp wallets.

What nerfs would be reversed from the war decs?

How would dscan help in giving people a minute chance of getting out before they're pointed?

As to losing people to hisec, yes, we've lost a ton of people to hisec already based on anoms being nerfed, does it have to be proven yet again when risk is increased without reward being upped?

With people necroing AFK cloaker whine threads hell bent on making cloaking even worse in EVE than it already is, I figured it was time to resurrect this thread to discuss and share ideas that improve cloaking and sneaky gameplay in general.

The fear people like Zim have with removing Local Chat Intel, is that will result in a further exodus to High Sec from Null.. I say further, because it's largely already happened... That boat has already sailed.

The solution isn't making Null safer to draw people back it's making High Sec much more dangerous and/or much less profitable. High Sec Incursions in particular need a colossal nerf, or better yet much needed player conflict added into the mix.

If there is to be PvE in areas that are effectively PvP free, the differential in reward with PvE in areas where PvP is a real possibility needs to be of a magnitude in the range of 500%+ not 40-50% or less.

Of course you also have Nullsec people with totally foolish notions that numbers should trump everything. Read what this guy says from one the AFK cloak whine threads.



Note that when he says "safely diminish the efforts of an entire alliance" he's referring to a single cloaker in a single star system not doing anything. That's totally ridiculous, how do alliances of people like that even manage to hold onto sov. space?

There needs to be a way to detect cloaked ships besides the hilariously primitive method of bumping. I'm not talking about anything extreme here, but maybe something like a depth charge module that fits in a high slot. It would work like a smartbomb, and decloak anything in 10km.

This way, if you KNOW there is someone cloaked nearby, you can gank him, because he failed at his job of being stealthy.

Cloak = awesome, and that's all there is to it. Not least of all as a superb psychological-warfare tool, if all the nulltard crybear "NERFCLAOK!!111!!oneoene!!" screaming around here is anything to go by

Now then, as a recently-minted Widow pilot:



I think they should have a CovCloak, as this would not make them OP:

1) They're battleships--slow, unwieldy, massive sig-radii, and "guaranteed primary" in gang/fleet engagements. I highly doubt that every ganker in 5 systems wouldn't start hunting you if they heard there was an un-escorted BLOPs running around. De-cloaking one of these off a gate would no-doubt be much easier than say, de-cloaking a cloaky hauler, if the gate-campers are halfway-competent.

2) Strictly as battleships, their combat-ability really isn't all that great--the Tech I/Tier 1 or 2 BS' do that much better for 1/10th the cost, and full insurability. Also, BLOPs often need faction-pimpage for fitting reasons, so more to lose if when they get caught. IOW, a lot of risk. Oh, and the scan-resolution due to cloak penalty makes locking anything--in a Widow, at least--painful. This is a potentially major tactical weakness too, to balance out their strengths.

3) For their intended niche--bridging--they are hopelessly gimped ("pre-nerfed," courtesy of CCP, thanks a lot, guys), because they often can't make regional jumps/bridges that would only need to transit one gate conventionally. So, yes, they need more range. They also have hilariously inefficient fuel-use when it comes to bridging anything--there's a reason some call them "pigs"--such that any substantive BLOPs op often needs to have a cloaky hauler along just to carry the fuel you need to get where you're going and back.

Tl/DR:

Yes to CovCloaks, as it would expand their options for use, hopefully making them more popular--and get more of them urp-sploded in the process: Oh look, Father, little Lyrra might have found us another ISK/materials-sink! How precious!--balanced by the fact that you're risking a lot if you take them into combat, and their combat-ability is nothing special.

Increase bridging range/fuel-efficiency, as this would expand their role in that, also making them get used more.

If your chickenshit alliance can't/won't provide proper security for its space, then it deserves to lose it.

If your myopic PvE pilots can't/wont use the most basic tools to maintain situational awareness whilst PvE'ing in risky space in their stupid carebear bling-barges, then they deserve to lose them.

GTFO this thread, you ******* useless over-entitled crybear, I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has absolutely ******* ZERO sympathy for your ilk. Especially with the God-mode intel-tool (read: Local-chat) you get for free as a matter of course!

I can has ur stuffs?

Die (in-game, of course)!

E: As well: yes, you are.

This Idea in theory is good but not well thought out for this game. If you removed local it would give any cloaked ship an unfair advantage. This would completely break any PVE in null sec. If this was a viable idea would you be Ok with gate guns and Beacons on the gates to Dispel your cloak and be able to target and scram you. That would be the only fair way to let this happen so if you did make it into said system that is awesome and have at the carebears. There tears are defiantly the sweetest. But with what you are asking for it would make 0.0 a PVP only area. That would take away from the sand box feeling. Another idea I had to make local less of a god mode would be to make Region chat the new local so you can see if there are hostiles in the region but not where, or even make it smaller to the Constellation. I am not disagreeing with your idea as I think it would make EVE more enjoyable but I think what you are asking for it to drastic to be a viable idea.

Cloaking is fine..............oh wait +1

More threads like this should be necro'd, cheers Xorv