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Cloak Fuel - A cure to afk cloaking
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seany1212
M Y S T
#161 - 2012-02-18 03:49:34 UTC
+1 for the "oh its this thread again" crowd.

Feel free to implement, I'll just have 2 of my characters in your system then, one actually cloaking, and the other cloaked in a hauler full of cloaky fuel, JUST TO SPITE YOU Lol

Tards. Roll
Zawisza Black
Stop Exploding You Cowards
#162 - 2012-02-18 03:56:06 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
+1 for the "oh its this thread again" crowd.

Feel free to implement, I'll just have 2 of my characters in your system then, one actually cloaking, and the other cloaked in a hauler full of cloaky fuel, JUST TO SPITE YOU Lol

Tards. Roll



You just made my argument, then you wouldn't be afk, you'd need to be at keys constantly refueling your cloaky wouldn't you. And you'd have to bring that hauler through our gates to restock your hold full of fuel Big smile Nice try at trolling.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#163 - 2012-02-18 03:59:26 UTC
Zawisza Black wrote:
Yes, null sec in the hands of an organized intelligent and prepared alliance should be safe from lone goon pirate twits like you. An entire alliance is safe from one person, HEAVEN FORBID!!! However, null sec is not safe, nor should it be, from big pirate alliances who actually coordinate and steal sov space from others.

Herpin your derp, calling someone in an extremely large sov holding alliance a lone pirate is probably not the best way to show us how intelligent you are. Now how about you quit with the straw man arguments and reply to the post?

Simi Kusoni wrote:
Your idea of using a gang to disrupt ratting/mining is pretty special. Ever tried killing ratters/miners in a deep sov null sec pocket?

You jump in, they're either already docked because they saw you coming on intel or they dock when they see a neut in local. Your gang might be able to stop them from ratting in one or two systems, but you'd need to stay there, with a fully formed fleet, indefinitely in order to do it. On top of that you very likely won't get any kills, except the odd idiot not watching local.

This is why AFK cloaking is necessary, until some alternate method is thought up that allows players to attack an alliance, it will always be necessary. There is little enough risk in null as it is, lessening it even more is a horrendous idea. As much as I hate AFK cloaking it is a necessity, as such any suggestions made with the aim of removing it as a valid tactic should start by providing an alternative tactic to replace it with.

And if you're still going to argue that a roaming gang can catch ratters, this is an example* of an RA renter system I was in a few weeks back. If a neut is in local, they dock up or log off in space, there is no possible way to burn through those bubbles and reach a target before they align, warp and dock. Your argument to end AFK cloaking, since it proposes no alternative, is merely an argument to make null sec 100% safe.

*http://i.imgur.com/AjjLJ.jpg apparently "url=" BB code doesn't work for images What? Nice one CCP.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
seany1212
M Y S T
#164 - 2012-02-18 04:05:33 UTC
Zawisza Black wrote:
seany1212 wrote:
+1 for the "oh its this thread again" crowd.

Feel free to implement, I'll just have 2 of my characters in your system then, one actually cloaking, and the other cloaked in a hauler full of cloaky fuel, JUST TO SPITE YOU Lol

Tards. Roll



You just made my argument, then you wouldn't be afk, you'd need to be at keys constantly refueling your cloaky wouldn't you. And you'd have to bring that hauler through our gates to restock your hold full of fuel Big smile Nice try at trolling.


Except you assume that everyone who stays in one system cloaked for hours on end is AFK, and ever heard of transport ships? And it depends on your fuel requirements for the cloak in the first place, for instance if the cloak could only be active 3 hours at a time I could (who has a life, amirite?) cloak for 3 hours, refuel and then go afk for the next 2 hours and 59 minutes, you'd then have to make sure you were spamming d-scan for the next 3 hours to see when I decloaked for more fuel, like I said, idea generated which was ill thought out Roll
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#165 - 2012-02-18 04:08:33 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Except you assume that everyone who stays in one system cloaked for hours on end is AFK, and ever heard of transport ships? And it depends on your fuel requirements for the cloak in the first place, for instance if the cloak could only be active 3 hours at a time I could (who has a life, amirite?) cloak for 3 hours, refuel and then go afk for the next 2 hours and 59 minutes, you'd then have to make sure you were spamming d-scan for the next 3 hours to see when I decloaked for more fuel, like I said, idea generated which was ill thought out Roll

I'd give it a week before someone wrote a cloak refueling script.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Zawisza Black
Stop Exploding You Cowards
#166 - 2012-02-18 04:27:49 UTC
Quote:

Herpin your derp, calling someone in an extremely large sov holding alliance a lone pirate is probably not the best way to show us how intelligent you are. Now how about you quit with the straw man arguments and reply to the post?


There really is no arguing with trolls. I've responded to the block of text you posted several times. Stop spitting phrases like "straw man" when you don't understand them. If you're in a large sov holding alliance why do you want the ability for one person to lock down an economy?
CaleAdaire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#167 - 2012-02-18 04:31:10 UTC
Acwron wrote:
grazer gin wrote:
Or you could grow some balls and realise nullsec isnt a 100% safe place for all you pathetic carebears


That hurts you know...I do have feelings !

no you dont, you dont even have a soul

Trust in God, Have Faith in Fusion.
CaleAdaire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#168 - 2012-02-18 04:33:38 UTC
Aesiron wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Oh... this thread again.

Not Supported.


How about you post something decent for once instead of trolling?

I used to think the same thing about ShahFluffers, then I realized the posts of mine I thought he was trolling, were actually incredibly stupid...

Just food for thought

Trust in God, Have Faith in Fusion.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#169 - 2012-02-18 04:39:27 UTC
So how long could one of these cloak?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Prowler

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Ares Renton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-02-18 04:41:41 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
So how long could one of these cloak?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Prowler


You have access to practically limitless cap boosters too.

It won't be long before you see blobs of Prowlers waging AFK warfare and driving entire alliances to their knees. Who needs supercaps?
Jisu Viscera
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#171 - 2012-02-18 04:50:59 UTC
I like Sir Lokit's suggestions.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#172 - 2012-02-18 05:33:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Zawisza Black wrote:
If you're in a large sov holding alliance why do you want the ability for one person to lock down an economy?

This is the problem with players like you, you won't make suggestions that hurt your gameplay style. Unlike you, I know that making null sec more dangerous would hurt me in terms of ISK, but I'm also willing to admit that null sec was never supposed to be free of risk.

As it stands at the moment null sec is a joke, it's barely any more dangerous than high sec, and quite frankly it's getting a little dull.

Zawisza Black wrote:
There really is no arguing with trolls. I've responded to the block of text you posted several times. Stop spitting phrases like "straw man" when you don't understand them.

Examples of straw man arguments:

Zawisza Black wrote:

  1. "There would be no way to kill those indy's and easy targets if we didn't have every advantage."

  2. you want it to be 100% safe for that lone idiot sitting cloaked in a system 23.5 hours a day. You want him to have every advantage - surprise, ability to choose all his fights, invulnerability whenever he wants.

  3. "Keep a standing fleet up, problem solved."

  4. "He doesn't get any benefit from being there afk anyway."

  5. You're saying that you should be able to single-handedly, without the help of others, effectively wage economic war on an alliance.

  6. ....Ummm its an entire alliance you're talking about, it should take... maybe an entire alliance or a gang of people to attack an alliance not some twit with a cloaking device.

  7. Waaahh, you're whining about an entire alliance coordinating effectively with intel, fleets, and smart playing. Join a big blob alliance and take over that sov if you want to destroy the economy so badly. To have it your way one person can safely diminish the efforts of an entire alliance - where's the logic in that?


1) This is just such a blatant troll it's not worth responding too, I think it well and truly defines the term straw man argument.

2) I've said before I dislike AFK cloaking as a tactic, because it's boring, and it still relies on some idiot to not pay attention to local in order to get kills. My argument is not in favor of AFK cloaking, I am however, unlike you, aware that null sec must have risks. You want to remove them without creating an alternative.

3) No one thinks keeping a 24/7 defense fleet up is the only method of protecting your ratters, there are plenty of other methods for combating AFK cloaking. But personally I don't really care, this is still a stupid straw man argument and I dislike AFK cloaking anyway.

4) No one has argued that, now you really are just making **** up.

5) No one has said that, a solo player can't do ****. A cloaked player with a massive fleet and a titan to bridge them? Sure, he can do loads, but a solo player? What's he going to do, decloak his falcon on your ratting carrier and hope it dies of shock?

6) Again, one person, bla bla bla. You have no experience of large fleets or roaming yada yada yada and on you go. It's also worth pointing out that anyone who considers looking at local to be "smart playing" should uninstall Eve and download a replacement copy of Hello Kitty Online immediately.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Zawisza Black
Stop Exploding You Cowards
#173 - 2012-02-18 05:57:57 UTC
You're such a ridiculous troll. "I dislike afk cloaking"..... yet you spend hours tonight trolling this post to whine about how it shouldn't be changed.

Trolls in this post have made all of the arguments i summarized, none were straw.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#174 - 2012-02-18 06:02:03 UTC
Zawisza Black wrote:
You're such a ridiculous troll. "I dislike afk cloaking"..... yet you spend hours tonight trolling this post to whine about how it shouldn't be changed.

Trolls in this post have made all of the arguments i summarized, none were straw.

How am I claiming it shouldn't be changed? I said it's currently necessary, and that any suggestions aimed at removing it should start by proposing an alternative tactic to replace it with. In fact I've even made a thread in the past about addressing AFK cloaking.

All of the arguments you summarized were simplified, fabricated or exaggerated in order to make your attacks on them seem more valid, despite the fact that you persistently fail to address any of the issues raised with your own proposal.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
shadowace00007
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#175 - 2012-02-18 07:34:28 UTC
Do not fix what is not broken. Thank you!

Born Amarrian Raised Minmatar.
killorbekilled TBE
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2012-02-18 08:45:36 UTC
whats stopping all the 'sov 0.0 dwelling care bear noob tards' go look into other systems for anomalies oh that's right because your probly pets and have only rented the one system so pathetic

:)
Valei Khurelem
#177 - 2012-02-18 09:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
People whining for nerfs to cloak are just incompetent imbeciles who can't be bothered looking for their enemies and just want to sit at a stargate all day shooting down targets, I'd never thought I'd be as obnoxious as some of the people posting here but at least I explain my reasoning before I decide to tell someone this:

GTFO, stop insisting on breaking the only things out there that actually work against the blobs in EVE, next you'll be demanding we nerf smart bombs and make it so only 0.0 alliances can manufacture them, for claiming you're all hardcore players who think games should be about hard work you sure do hate doing anything difficult don't you?

******* hypocrites.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
seany1212
M Y S T
#178 - 2012-02-18 10:42:02 UTC
Zawisza Black wrote:
You're such a ridiculous troll. "I dislike afk cloaking"..... yet you spend hours tonight trolling this post to whine about how it shouldn't be changed.

Trolls in this post have made all of the arguments i summarized, none were straw.


Good joke, I got a good chuckle out of it. Oh wait, you were being serious. You call anybody putting valid counter arguments to this terrible necro of a thread a troll when most of there replies are more constructive than your own. I'll happily sit in your local for hours on end, you come to your own conclusion if I'm afk or not but as has been said a hundred times in a hundred threads exactly like this one; if they're afk, what have you got to worry about? You just want to freely live in nullsec doing whatever it is that you do without the potentiality that you may get blown up, for which you've chosen the wrong game and you may wish to invest in the fine works of hello kitty online Lol
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#179 - 2012-02-18 11:21:00 UTC
Terrible idea. As a solo explorer this would totally ruin the game for me. Cloaky ships are already super gimped. They have poor tank and poor dps. That's the trade off for receiving a bonus to cloak.

The easy solution to this is to implement an afk timer and simply log everyone out who has been afk for an hour or two.

What you want to do is kill covert and black operations in eve because you want to rat and run plexes in complete safety. Don't bring bots into this to justify your cowardice. You might as well scream "oh think of the children".
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#180 - 2012-02-18 11:49:11 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
The easy solution to this is to implement an afk timer and simply log everyone out who has been afk for an hour or two.



Now this would be some solution but, if they can code bots that kiss the pos if some neutral shows up, bots that scoope loot AND kiss the pos if some neutral shows up.

I guess logofski counter would easily be countered by some silly macro simulating human actions with keyboard.