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Elitia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-02-18 03:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Elitia
Damn this forum ate my post -_- Bah... anyway..

Been away for a long time, and I am looking to get back into small gang 2-4 low sec pvp and would like some opinions on what to fly for camping, busting camps, some roams etc. Being able to engage as wide variety of targets as possible is important. I don't fly T3, but other than that class doesn't matter. I like to fly BSs, and would like some opinions about how viable these ships are:
- Armageddon
- Armageddon Navy Issue
- Scorpion Navy Issue
- (Is a regular ecm scorpion viable in low sec nowadays? Loved this ship back in the day
- Harbinger - may be limiting due to its size?
EDIT: - Absolution? I flew this in low sec before, would you pick this over say a geddon navy?

What do you prefer or enjoy to fly for this kind of work (not in the list)? Thanks for replying:)
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-02-18 03:48:22 UTC
For small gang work, BCs and below are typically recommended due to their increased mobility. Depending on how deep your pockets are, I would probably fly the Abso or Harby out of those. BSes might be ok for gate camping, IDK, but smaller ships are preferred for roaming.
Elitia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-02-18 06:23:11 UTC
Thanks for your suggestion.

I can afford to pvp in abso's and really love the ship. When considering Abso though, I can actually lose 4 geddons for every 1 abso's worth. Also, wouldn't an abso have fewer target opportunities in general? I get that the tracking is better, and please do correct me if you think otherwise. But it just LOOKS like it's less bang for my buck, even if it is slower.
Danny Stark
Kinights of Eternity
#4 - 2012-02-18 07:01:29 UTC
Depent on your skills , BC gang in low-sec defens stargun hard,
I think your should fly HAC much better , If you have ECM ,thats great
anyway, If you have a command ship with BUFF ,BS gang is strong
Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#5 - 2012-02-18 12:34:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahrieman
TBH, for a 2-4 man gang, a BS is overkill on a good day and a sitting duck, with a huge target on it's back, on a bad day. Active Navy Scorp is still insane, but I would recommend a BC size hull.

If I wanted to put together a versatile 4 man roaming gang for low sec that could engage on gates with GCC and such, I would roll this:

2x 100MN AB Talos (DPS)
1x Vagabond/Cynabal (for tackle, warp ins, and anti-tackle - just don't roll 425's for this gang comp ffs)
1x Basilisk - fit for solo work (obvious logi is obvious)

This gang would be very maneuverable with solid dps. If you aren't fighting on gates much, you could swap basi for a scimi to add extra speed to your logi. Great bang for your buck imho. Unless you decide to roll T3's, I think this is win if you like flying bigger stuff.

EDIT: Could swap Huginn for vaga/cynabal

Solo Rifter since 2009
Liam Mirren
#6 - 2012-02-18 15:05:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Chiming in on the "use cruiser or BC, not BS". They're simply too slow, cumbersome and slow targeting to be useful in non-stationary gangs.


Also, faction BS get a 300% bonus to attracting cynos.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-02-18 18:26:38 UTC
Don't fly BS in a gang that size. MAYBE a medium neutron or laser or AC Kessah dual-rep dominix or neut dominix. It's cheap, versatile, not a slow plated pig, and can engage targets of all sizes. Still a bit too slow though (we caught a faction fit one that was worth ~1BN a few weeks ago in low sec). At least in our neck of the woods, we don't see BS out much so when they do, people come out of the woodwork and we get a voltron fleet. Voltron fleet pwns all.

People will be much less likely to chase a 4 man gang over hells high-acre if you are in less blingy ships. Personally, I would recommend stock BC with some type of EWAR or logi. Sadly, hard to go wrong with drakes or canes here, though I loathe both ships. Keep moving, pick your fights.

Sounds like isk isn't an issue with you, but T1 cruiser fleets are a blast if you have one logi or blackbird...

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#8 - 2012-02-18 21:27:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Merin Ryskin
Elitia wrote:
I like to fly BSs, and would like some opinions about how viable these ships are:


Battleships are not viable at all, and faction battleships are even worse since everyone wants them on their killboard. The only place for a slow and vulnerable ship in lowsec is in gate fights (with tackle support), and with only 2-4 people your static battleship gang is going to be spotted and ganked by the many people in lowsec who can bring a lot more than 2-4 people. Survival when you're that small demands mobility, and battleships can't offer it*.

If you're going to stubbornly fly a battleship anyway, keep it cheap, always insure it, and fit at least some agility boost. And always make sure you have non-battleship support.


*Unless you can afford to fly a Machariel, and have the skills to do it without just becoming an expensive lossmail. In that case, feel free to use a battleship.

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What do you prefer or enjoy to fly for this kind of work (not in the list)? Thanks for replying:)


Lowsec demands three things:

1) Speed. 1500m/s at minimum, and 2km/s is better. You need the ability to GTFO when local spikes, because eventually it will.

2) DPS. At least 500 dps per ship, and the ability to apply most/all of it to cruiser-size targets. You need the ability to gank a target as fast as possible and get out before trouble shows up.

3) Range. This is not absolutely essential like the other two, but if your plan involves deliberately flying into web/scram range of your target you're going to lose ships because you couldn't get out when local spiked and the bait ship had too much tank to finish it off and shut down the scram. Ships that can fight at 20km or more have a huge advantage over ships that can't.

So, ships that are good: nanocane (or any other nano/shield/gank battlecruiser), Cynabal, nano Curse, nano Tengu/Loki, nano logistics, etc. Notice a pattern here?
Elitia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-02-18 22:01:30 UTC
Thanks for your replies, I see your point about smaller ships!
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#10 - 2012-02-20 05:16:53 UTC
You have lots of options. I'd say go BC and down:

Shield nano hurricane
Shield nano talos
Shield nano drake
Shield nano caracal navy issue
Shield nano cynabal
Shield nano rupture
Shield nano internetspaceship