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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#3061 - 2012-02-17 19:04:24 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

CCP karkur wrote:
why can't we just all be friends? Smile

Hello CCP karkur, thanks for dropping by.
Hopefully you meant 'friends with benefits'.
Blink
On second thought, it almost looks like you're issuing a warning, like a prelude to a lock.
Hi there... and no, that's not what I meant .... at all! Lol
I'm not about to lock this thread (I don't even have the power to do that)Smile



You ever read a concept thread I started? Don't expect any point by point commentary, just wondering...


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60345

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HELIC0N ONE
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3062 - 2012-02-17 19:50:16 UTC
5 years from now when there's still been effectively no further development to Incarna bar the slightest cosmetic tweaks, will Issler still be posting in this thread?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3063 - 2012-02-17 20:01:32 UTC
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
5 years from now when there's still been effectively no further development to Incarna bar the slightest cosmetic tweaks, will Issler still be posting in this thread?


So ambulation and Incarna are two different things. Better question is will all the goons quit Eve when team avatar delivers something compelling? We can only hope.

Issler
Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#3064 - 2012-02-17 20:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Elessa Enaka
Nova Fox wrote:
Combat is a loose term in Eve. If you play outside the space ship game you think it is.

From what you squabbeled out though I have to belive that you have had zero combat experince outside the space ship currenlty in eve or at least very inexperinced in it. I do say utterly crushing your opponent outside of spaceship is by far much more damaging than you can possibly comphened. To one point almost every major war in eve has ended becuase of out of ship combat. All that shooting outside the station is background noise, real combat is when you cause your opponent to turn on each other, crush them with your wallets, make them think its end of thier world and there is nothing they can do to stop it.

If WiS where to introduce combat I peferr more of less gun pointing and more devious manners instead.

How would you like to use a hacker obtained codes and software to use in short personal range of your target. To hack thier neo com and steal thier information. Alter thier plans. Inplant listening devices. Funnel some of thier isk.

How about setting up an underground contract to arrange things underhandedly that wont be seen by the API but increases assurance of done deals?

How about a spy that managed to get into the outpost and have him hack the entire station's decoration software to show that of the attacking allaince.

I currently play these sort of games and you have no idea how satisfying it is to utterly crush somone who thought they where entirely safe in a station.


You do realize that you just described Vampire: The Masquerade with tech rather than Disciplines right?

I wonder how this will go over with all of the WoD haters.....

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3065 - 2012-02-17 22:52:05 UTC
Cearain wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Cearain wrote:

These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it:

Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.

Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.

Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you.


You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him.


lol, seems you don't like the idea of a thread staying active for very long. By the way, you're running down a Two Way Street. The same thing can be said about the amount of 'Likes' the Anti-WiS replies received. So going by your logic, then there's even less people that disagree with the OP since the 'Likes' for Pro-WiS replies vastly out-number the 'Likes' for Anti-WiS replies in this thread.

Actually, it's sad because the 'Likes' don't mean diddly squat and FYI - this thread also get's bumped to the top by Anti-WiS replies. Truth be known, if they had just ignored this thread, it probably would have slowly died out a long time ago..



I don't think I ever posted in a thread that I didn't read the original post. Not reading the original post and posting in a thread is rude because you may not even be on topic. But I definitely haven't read all the posts in this thread, I'm sure very few have.

As for who kept bumping this thread I have a decent idea. Somewhere early on I tagged this thread so I could argue against CCP making the horrible mistake of going back to the days when all their resources were spent on wis. Now I can't find the post to uncheck it and I get flags every time someone posts. Your name, oldbutfeelingyoung and isslers name are almost always flagged as posting here. I usually know I can ignore that flag.

I don't know how many times you guys posted here but its allot. And you of course have had plenty of people to respond to because not only is your topic not very popular. Allot of people are so against it that they don't just ignore it they actually post against it.



lol, that's a fail excuse, but please keep bumping this thread. I'm sure a lot of players have posted a positive reply to threads without adding a 'Like' to the OP.

First of all, you don't need to go to your very first posted reply to 'Remove Notifications'. Besides that, finding your first post in a thread is very easy to do, considering the forums keep a record of all posting done by every character. The first time you posted in this thread was on 2011.10.26 @ 03:30

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=258374#post258374 Page 19 - post 370

Secondly, if you did tag this thread, you'd get a notice every time someone posted a reply to this thread, not just from a few select characters.

FYI - After selecting the option to 'Quote' or 'Reply' to a thread, right below the text input field there's a little box with the words 'Receive Notifications' - left side of the 'Cancel', 'Post' and 'Preview' options. Please feel free to deselect it asap.

However, trolling this thread with the excuse that you can't find the option to stop receiving notifications is fail, especially since your posting record shows you have done a lot of negative replies to all Pro-WiS thread topics. Your record also shows you post a lot of positive replies for Factional Warfare threads. Obviously I could go to those threads, troll them and your replies while making the same claim that your name is flagged as one of the top posters keeping that thread alive.

Thirdly - Since you've already stated that you haven't read through this entire thread, you have no proof as to how many players actually like or dislike this topic. As was stated before, using the amount of 'Likes' in the original post along with the total amount of 'Replies', 'Views' and 'Likes' pertaining to this thread is not factual information, nor does it represent the opinion of the entire player base.

By the way, there's an option in these forums to 'Block' specific players. In other words, not view their posted replies. I strongly urge you to use that option asap, especially since Pro-WiS players will continue posting support for this thread.

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Tanaka Aiko
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3066 - 2012-02-17 22:52:08 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

So ambulation and Incarna are two different things. Better question is will all the goons quit Eve when team avatar delivers something compelling? We can only hope.

Issler

our spies have enough material to blackmail this team in case something happen, don't worry.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3067 - 2012-02-17 23:04:41 UTC
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Combat is a loose term in Eve. If you play outside the space ship game you think it is.

From what you squabbeled out though I have to belive that you have had zero combat experince outside the space ship currenlty in eve or at least very inexperinced in it. I do say utterly crushing your opponent outside of spaceship is by far much more damaging than you can possibly comphened. To one point almost every major war in eve has ended becuase of out of ship combat. All that shooting outside the station is background noise, real combat is when you cause your opponent to turn on each other, crush them with your wallets, make them think its end of thier world and there is nothing they can do to stop it.

If WiS where to introduce combat I peferr more of less gun pointing and more devious manners instead.

How would you like to use a hacker obtained codes and software to use in short personal range of your target. To hack thier neo com and steal thier information. Alter thier plans. Inplant listening devices. Funnel some of thier isk.

How about setting up an underground contract to arrange things underhandedly that wont be seen by the API but increases assurance of done deals?

How about a spy that managed to get into the outpost and have him hack the entire station's decoration software to show that of the attacking allaince.

I currently play these sort of games and you have no idea how satisfying it is to utterly crush somone who thought they where entirely safe in a station.


You do realize that you just described Vampire: The Masquerade with tech rather than Disciplines right?

I wonder how this will go over with all of the WoD haters.....


Funny thing is this is already in game here.

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Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#3068 - 2012-02-17 23:16:23 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Combat is a loose term in Eve. If you play outside the space ship game you think it is.

From what you squabbeled out though I have to belive that you have had zero combat experince outside the space ship currenlty in eve or at least very inexperinced in it. I do say utterly crushing your opponent outside of spaceship is by far much more damaging than you can possibly comphened. To one point almost every major war in eve has ended becuase of out of ship combat. All that shooting outside the station is background noise, real combat is when you cause your opponent to turn on each other, crush them with your wallets, make them think its end of thier world and there is nothing they can do to stop it.

If WiS where to introduce combat I peferr more of less gun pointing and more devious manners instead.

How would you like to use a hacker obtained codes and software to use in short personal range of your target. To hack thier neo com and steal thier information. Alter thier plans. Inplant listening devices. Funnel some of thier isk.

How about setting up an underground contract to arrange things underhandedly that wont be seen by the API but increases assurance of done deals?

How about a spy that managed to get into the outpost and have him hack the entire station's decoration software to show that of the attacking allaince.

I currently play these sort of games and you have no idea how satisfying it is to utterly crush somone who thought they where entirely safe in a station.


You do realize that you just described Vampire: The Masquerade with tech rather than Disciplines right?

I wonder how this will go over with all of the WoD haters.....


Funny thing is this is already in game here.


I'm not disagreeing with you at all.

I just think it is amusing that with the amount of hatred for WoD I remember reading last summer; many of the same players are probably perfectly equipped already to play it.

I wonder if they just associate it with Twilight (an abomination that rightly deserves scorn) because it is vampires and dismiss it under the assumption that it is the same.

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#3069 - 2012-02-18 00:03:02 UTC
I do not think WiS needs combat between Avatars. I think it needs game play elements that supports and fosters PvP IN SPACE.

The entire booster / smuggling thing is an example of such a play element.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3070 - 2012-02-18 01:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Vincent Athena wrote:
I do not think WiS needs combat between Avatars. I think it needs game play elements that supports and fosters PvP IN SPACE.

The entire booster / smuggling thing is an example of such a play element.


I think WiS content could benefit by having a small variation of Avatar FPS PvP combat in special Concord sanctioned Arena's located within stations. That option would be purely consensual.

Allowing Avatars to run around doing mass ganking anywhere at anytime would be detrimental and quickly kill any interest to participate in WiS activities. Since Eve is basically a 'Killing Field' game, there could be some specialized career path options added to the game with skills and implants specifically designed for that type of activity. They should not be easily obtainable and should require the player a lot of time to effectively utilize them.

I had posted an idea about this subject here.

To counter that, there should be a couple of skills added to the game which when trained, will decrease the chance of the Avatar being assassinated. Maybe call them 'Bodyguard' and 'Protector' skills?

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3071 - 2012-02-18 01:17:52 UTC
You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?!

You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game.

LOL, and GBTW.







☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3072 - 2012-02-18 01:34:41 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?!

You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game.

LOL, and GBTW.



Typical response.

Guess you don't understand what I posted since it doesn't pertain to FiS and spaceship content.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3073 - 2012-02-18 01:44:07 UTC
Its better to compare WoD to Underworld Series I belive.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3074 - 2012-02-18 02:02:26 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?!

You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game.

LOL, and GBTW.



Typical response.

Guess you don't understand what I posted since it doesn't pertain to FiS and spaceship content.



No I understand it completely, you want combat PVP in WIS to be consensual or arena based like a PVP flag in WOW which is not how EVE works. The only place you should ever be safe is in your captain's closet unless you invite someone in who decides to off you.

Even if you tried to make in-station PVP some complicated skill or career based mechanic, CCP still can't even get the bounty hunter profession sussed-out after years of players begging them to do it.

You guys keep talking about WIS bringing-in and retaining new players for the "EVE experience" and honestly the only way that is going to work and retain subs is to have captivating, exciting and compelling content. That basically is going to boil-down to FPS and associated "missions" in stations. I don't really think too many players are going to want to pay $15/mo just to hang out with neckbeards who rolled a female Toon so they could dress it up in pink space pants just to hang out in a space bar/casino.




☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3075 - 2012-02-18 02:17:22 UTC
Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3076 - 2012-02-18 02:42:03 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that.


How is that not FPS?

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3077 - 2012-02-18 02:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Doc Fury wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that.


How is that not FPS?



Dues Ex is an adventure game where shooting your way though is seemingly that much harder than 'gentler' methoods.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3078 - 2012-02-18 02:59:55 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
You want consensual PVP combat in EVE?!

You may as well make WIS a completely different and standalone game.

LOL, and GBTW.



Typical response.

Guess you don't understand what I posted since it doesn't pertain to FiS and spaceship content.



No I understand it completely, you want combat PVP in WIS to be consensual or arena based like a PVP flag in WOW which is not how EVE works. The only place you should ever be safe is in your captain's closet unless you invite someone in who decides to off you.

Even if you tried to make in-station PVP some complicated skill or career based mechanic, CCP still can't even get the bounty hunter profession sussed-out after years of players begging them to do it.

You guys keep talking about WIS bringing-in and retaining new players for the "EVE experience" and honestly the only way that is going to work and retain subs is to have captivating, exciting and compelling content. That basically is going to boil-down to FPS and associated "missions" in stations. I don't really think too many players are going to want to pay $15/mo just to hang out with neckbeards who rolled a female Toon so they could dress it up in pink space pants just to hang out in a space bar/casino.


Thanks for clarifying that you indeed didn't understand what I posted. Besides that, don't even try to tell me how Eve works. This discussion is about a totally new area of content that can be developed and added to the game known as WiS.

Going by your opinion, WiS content should allow players to freely attack and gank anyone, anywhere at anytime. That will just discourage players from participating in WiS content thus making all of CCP's previous work nothing more than a waste of time and resources.

Having consensual FPS PvP Arena's will encourage player interaction with WiS content as well as hopefully entice new players who like FPS games to subscribe, besides that it'll add more options than just going into a bar or casino and /emoting.

The main reason for having 'specialized' career skills and implants to allow non-consensual PvP in WiS is due to this game being a skill based sand box along with maintaining the age old consensus that in Eve nowhere is truly safe (except in your Captains Quarters and Docking Bay). The flip side to that would also be adding skills that reduce the chance of your Avatar being assassinated.

CCP has already stated that WiS is here to stay. We the player base should take this opportunity and offer ideas that will help encourage development of this new content into something that all players can enjoy.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3079 - 2012-02-18 03:01:43 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Dues Ex style missions screw FPS. I am sick and tired of that.


How is that not FPS?



Dues Ex is an adventure game where shooting your way though is seemingly that much harder than 'gentler' methoods.


Just because something is termed an FPS does not necessarily mean you have to shoot all the time, and there's nothing wrong with that.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Taiwanistan
#3080 - 2012-02-18 03:10:35 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
5 years from now when there's still been effectively no further development to Incarna bar the slightest cosmetic tweaks, will Issler still be posting in this thread?


So ambulation and Incarna are two different things. Better question is will all the goons quit Eve when team avatar delivers something compelling? We can only hope.

Issler

no i will not be quitting eve for the foreseeable future, all the other upcoming mmos out there are crap, especially the korean ones.
if wis really is compelling when it is released, i will be interdicting wherever god's work need to be done. "compelling feature" example, i have never done anything related to industry but i am doing PI.
unless maybe this game is finally released http://www.darkmillenniumonline.com/

if however team avatar learned nothing from the first time and wis is still utter crap and has no opt-out then i really may have to quit goons and escape to WH space where there are no stations. (yes, an extra 10 seconds of load time every time i dock is not acceptable for a feature i do not use).

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."