Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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The bonuses I've suggested are just examples of what the tractor beam bonus could be changed for. I've gone for more capacitor saving bonuses. The Kronos MWD bonus is useful and would give a blaster fit option without compromising the rail fit as you don't really need to use it. The AB speed bonus I suggested could be a AB/MWD duration bonus or something else altogether.

What kind of bonus would you like instead of the tractor beam bonus?

Excluding the idea of new sized tractor beams, I don't want the tractor bonus removed from marauders. I want it improved. Along with having a bonus to help salvage wrecks faster, maybe cycle time or improved chance of salvage per cycle.

I am in cavorted of a damage increase.

And speaking of Salvaging and Tractor Beams, have you ever heard of someone loading a Noctis with Smartbombs?

I was saying that because my friend recently reported getting smartbombed by a Noctis. It was an off-topic remark.

Right now marauders are just solo pve grinding machines for people too lazy to dock up and warp back to their site in a noctis.

I'd like to see marauders playing a front line role in pvp, especially since the only other T2 battleship (Black Ops) is only used as a roving hot drop platform that spends most of it's time cloaked up in a safe spot.

Add a neut, RR, cap transfer, or smart bomb bonus for people to play with those extra high slots.


Give up the tractor beam bonus and go buy a Noctis.

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Concerning the suggested large and medium tractor beams fitting and capabilities:
[Approx]
Large: 500 PG 40 CPU Activation: 25 range: 40 km Velocity: 2000m/s
Med : 80 PG 30 CPU Activation: 10 range: 30 km Velocity: 1000m/s
Small - as is

How do those fitting stats sit with you?

Yes... It would be extremely difficult to fit "large" tractor beams to a beam Paladin. However... if the paladin dropped its current tractor beam range bonus for a 50% optimal pulse lasers would become a very attractive fit (50% optimal bonus gives you 60-70km optimal with Scorch before other mods are factored in + loads of PG left over). Not to mention the extra tracking and DPS pulse lasers will offer you.

I feel the Vargur performs far better with Autocannons over Artillery anyway as its PG and bonuses seem to benefit AC's over Artillery. So the Vargur (IMHO) would only benefit.

Also, other ships (read faction BS's) would probably struggle to fit large tractor beams without compromising their fit with heavy PG requirements on large tractor beams.

How does that grab you now I've added a different perspective?

I'm going to reply to as I see with running simple lvl 4 missions that sensor strength is a HUGE issue with Marauders in reguards to lvl 4s.

Now, this applies mostly to the golem, but really to any marauder flying Caldari missions. Most of the missions i'm flying in Caldari space just love to jam. In my tengu I rarely even notice. However, if I were to take the golem in against guristas, I would be jammed out for the entire mission....Hell, it happened when I flew Gallente missions on the occational guristas mission that I got.

You've said that the sensor strength of Marauders are what deter them from being used in pvp, but I would disagree. Sure, its part of the reason, but when you look at Marauders you not only have to look at their sensor strength, but they also have terrible scan res and a massive sig radius. Expecially the Golem fitted with rage torps, cause for some reason CCP didn't find it reasonable to take away the penalties for t2 missiles they way they did for t2 turret ammo, but that's not what we're talking about.

I feel that Marauders should have at least a reasonable sensor strength because even with that, they still have tons of other flaws.

Now, to the comment of CCP not wanting them to be used in pvp. HAHA...Honestly, their are many pirate faction battleships that can outperform marauders in pvp in both dps and tank while having a smaller sig radius, better sensor strength, and better scan res, and in a lot of cases, for equal or lesser cost to the player.

However, there's also the issue of their ability to salvage. Originally marauders were the one stop shop for lvl 4 missions. They had the greatest tractor range of any ship in game apart from the Rorqual and then the orca once it came out. However, once the noctis was released, it didn't take players very long to realize that they could perform much better in a pirate faction ship for the same price, followed by jumping into a Noctis, and not only would you be able to do so much faster, but you would also make more profit, because when salvaging in a marauder, you don't have enough cargohold for the loot as well.

So in heinsite, what I'm saying is that Marauders have generally become obsolete in all that they were designed for with the introduction of cross faction bs's, the noctis, and even t3 cruisers.

So, perhaps CCP should restructer them so that they'll become the ultimate Incursion ship, in that not only do they have high damage, but they also have fleet support such as logistics or what not.

Edit...
I also notice how someone commented on lvl 5 missions. In a Marauder, hell no... You're way too big of a target, and that's just the least of your problems. If you ever decide to take a Marauder into a lvl 5, then you might as well, just make sure and hit every gate camp on the way there, cause it's gonna have the same outcome.

P.S. While the Golem has good dps and can do so with any damage type, it is severely gimped in range. You not only need t2 javelin torps, but you also need missile projection and missile bombardment both to 5 as well as having both rig slots fitted with t2 range rigs, as well as having 2 target painters, and AT LEAST one faction or dedspace shield module.
While you can take a t2 fitted tengu with t1 launchers and wouldn't have to worry about a thing. Not to mention it would take much less time to get there and it's cheaper overall.

Considering that Marauders require a heavy skillpoint and monetary investment; and that for much cheaper (in both regards) I can get a Navy-Issue Battleship and a Noctis, which is overall, more effective in every way... there is no reason to ever fly a Marauder.

Marauders could probably be made better by simply giving them much bigger bonuses to tractor beam range/velocity and salvager cycles to make them, while less effective overall than a Noctis at salvaging; more efficient in the regards that you can salvage rats as you kill them, without having to switch ships.