EVE General Discussion

I see a greater need for Tech3 Mining/Industrial ships than Frigates.

There are few places where Mining is a safe profession now.

Would rather have Strategic Destroyers.
Larger sig than frigates. Not modifiable into interceptor speeds with ABs.
As would happen if they kept bonuses in parallel of strategic cruiser subsystems.
3 subsystems. At minimum 1x skill speed would keep it under the time requirements of the cruisers.
Defensive & Electronics
Propulsion & Engineering
Offensive
Some might think 3 subs would lead to fewer options. Yet the vast majority only use t3 cruiser in three main rolls as it is. Explorer, dps (counting pvp and pve), booster.
Smaller t3 would definitely not boost. nor will they be big enough to help in a hole larger than c1 or c2.
Apart from scanning purely to scout, you are looking at a pvp ship, despite someone rigging it up to run lvl3s or some such nonsense.
Unique to this class are several options. I could see this t3 built to:

• Find cloaks or narrow down location to (xx)km. Smart bomb hunt for Red October action.
• Better cyno: can drop a cyno generator beacon (+ anchor time, so not a hot drop option) and leave scene so you don't always have to use some suicide alt. Would overall cost more than the suicide option yet less hassle.
• Bubble the unbubbleable. a t3 counter to other t3s.
• Web bubble to compliment dictors or to help group warp faster
• Mine (the explosive variety) ship.
• Fleet point-defense vs bomb and missile attacks. (fixed defender missile system, perhaps quick auto-target bombs but not auto-destroy like missiles; as the hard human part is to actually target the buggers within the 10 seconds.)

Apart from run and gun, you would have multiple support rolls not filled by any other ship. New rolls, more chances of a prolonged fight and not just a loldps roll.

They need to finish the T3 cruisers first. Still waiting on the 5th subsystem.

Some of us wants variety in this game where the choice of ship depends on the role it is supposed to fill and not just on available ISK.

The implementation of Tech-3 Frigates (and all other ship classes) could cause the PvE problem. If you have an indestructible ship, that can rinse ISK out of NPC's it might create the PVE problem.


The PVE Problem


Factor in the speciality of T2 vs the survivability of the T3 Frigate - roams of 10 T3 frigates, have less losses. Then you complain about ISK Faucets and redundant in-game technology.

Yeah industrial and exploration T3 would be interesting.

And....

There are few places where Mining is a safe profession now.
There are few places where PI is a safe profession now.
There are few places where Hauling is a safe profession now.
There are few places where Pirating is a safe profession now.
There are few places where Bounty Hunting is a safe profession now.
There are few places where PVEing is a safe profession now.

T3's were only introduced to give people a reason to live in wormholes

pay no attention to them being better and cheaper and easier to fly than their T2 bretheren

JUST SAY NO TO T3 FRIGATES (or anymore T3 anything)

I, too, fly a lot of frigates. The variety (particularly among T2 ones) is rather astounding. However, frigates do not usually thrive on minmaxing attributes. Some of the best examples of frigates -- the Rifter, the new Harpy, the Dramiel -- owe their usefulness to the fact that they are "all around good". Often the way you describe a frigate is "it's very good at ~insert thing here~ but it sucks at ~insert thing here~." The Kitsune is very good at jamming, but it sucks at staying alive. The Punisher is very good at tanking, but sucks at dealing damage.

I have never flown a T3 cruiser, but from what I understand, T3s are designed to be all around good at the role they are playing. If T3 frigates are implemented in the same way, that would result in omgwtfbbqpwn frigates.

Personally, I would love to fly something like that. I would spend giant piles of ISK for it, too. It might even turn out to be good for wormholes, for creating more demand for sleeper gear. However, stepping back, I'm not sure the frigate PvP scene needs T3 frigs... at least, not at this juncture.

No you would be doing it wrong. You overlooked the part where I said major factor, for I did not say it shouldn't be a factor at all.

Then again I wouldn't mind a new ship, perhaps a frigate with bomber DPS and cloak, AF tank, Interceptor speed, that interdiction nulifier, oh some ewar bonuses.. and large drone bay on top.. I like drones.. nearly forget probe bonus as well please. We can make it cost a billion or so ISK, that's way more than any other frigate so that's balanced right?

If they just stuck with Tech 1 ships and items only CCP MIGHT have had a chance at keeping this game balanced, but no, they had to go with the ph4t l3wt side of gaming to keep idiots addicted to piling as much as they can into their item bays until they finally get bored and leave.