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EVE Online: Crucible 1.2 Feedback

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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#141 - 2012-02-17 11:18:14 UTC
Allright am I missing something or we still cant rename custom groups on the neocom? Other than that, excellent work! I even forgot about the patch until I started doing things and then was like..... "hmm.... this seems unusually smooth and fast..." And then remember about the patch.

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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids
#142 - 2012-02-17 11:28:05 UTC
Funkert wrote:
i just went afk for 10 mins on one of the busiest empire gates. Accidentally left my mouse on the overview. Whoops!

does anyone at ccp actually still play eve? Cool

anyway, i read above me that some people actually like it. so make it optional, give us a dropdown where we can choose between hold-ctrl or mouseover for overview freeze. Or take it out again :(


I think optional is a good idea in this case.
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#143 - 2012-02-17 11:31:29 UTC
I like the overviews new yellow/red box animation. Before 1.2, when I'm missioning and there were like 30 rats and most of them are red boxing me, but some of them are still not aggroing me, it was pretty difficult for me to distinguish between the aggroed and not-aggroed rats due to overview being totally flooded by "red" things . Now it seems I don't have to worry about accidentally shooting at non-aggroed rats and pull full room aggro.

Er, well to be honest I don't actually "like" the new animation, it seems a little bit too desperate for attention. but I really appreciate the direction of the change.
Yahrr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-02-17 12:07:56 UTC
Another nice one is the horrible new font that is used on all the input fields, and only the input fields. (screenshot for those who have trouble reading text, notice the difference between the 'Ask Price' input field and the labels like 'Regional Average')

If people really want Courier New, Comic Sans or even Impact as GUI font then that's fine with me, but make it a frikkin' option!
CCP Snorlax
C C P
C C P Alliance
#145 - 2012-02-17 12:48:23 UTC
Yahrr wrote:
Another nice one is the horrible new font that is used on all the input fields, and only the input fields. (screenshot for those who have trouble reading text, notice the difference between the 'Ask Price' input field and the labels like 'Regional Average')


This is a bug, I'll look into it. Might be related to your input language - if you use the language bar in Windows, what is your input language set to?

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Inepsa1987
#146 - 2012-02-17 13:51:23 UTC
Nice quick fix for dual monitor setups. Thanks.

Spaceship Pilot.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#147 - 2012-02-17 13:51:32 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Yahrr wrote:
Another nice one is the horrible new font that is used on all the input fields, and only the input fields. (screenshot for those who have trouble reading text, notice the difference between the 'Ask Price' input field and the labels like 'Regional Average')


This is a bug, I'll look into it. Might be related to your input language - if you use the language bar in Windows, what is your input language set to?


Are you going to be working on making the overviews mouse over freezing optional with a mappable toggle alternative?

I would appreciate ccp's view on how successful that element is at the moment.
Inepsa1987
#148 - 2012-02-17 14:24:50 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Yahrr wrote:
Another nice one is the horrible new font that is used on all the input fields, and only the input fields. (screenshot for those who have trouble reading text, notice the difference between the 'Ask Price' input field and the labels like 'Regional Average')


This is a bug, I'll look into it. Might be related to your input language - if you use the language bar in Windows, what is your input language set to?


Are you going to be working on making the overviews mouse over freezing optional with a mappable toggle alternative?

I would appreciate ccp's view on how successful that element is at the moment.



I would imagine its possible, but isn't it necessary now since the overview refreshes faster? I think without it targets in the overview would move around a lot faster.

Spaceship Pilot.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#149 - 2012-02-17 15:08:19 UTC
Inepsa1987 wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Yahrr wrote:
Another nice one is the horrible new font that is used on all the input fields, and only the input fields. (screenshot for those who have trouble reading text, notice the difference between the 'Ask Price' input field and the labels like 'Regional Average')


This is a bug, I'll look into it. Might be related to your input language - if you use the language bar in Windows, what is your input language set to?


Are you going to be working on making the overviews mouse over freezing optional with a mappable toggle alternative?

I would appreciate ccp's view on how successful that element is at the moment.



I would imagine its possible, but isn't it necessary now since the overview refreshes faster? I think without it targets in the overview would move around a lot faster.


I think you should stick to thinking for yourself instead of telling other people what to think.

Make overview mouse over lock an option. Make an overview lock toggle a feature.

Make the assholes who just come here to comment on other peoples feedback go away tbh.
Ugo Mnoguron
Un4seen Development
Goonswarm Federation
#150 - 2012-02-17 15:35:56 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:


...Bin the Overview as it is completely, and re-invent from scratch.

It's an archaic, clunky, buggy, screen real-estate -hogging, resource-swilling, immersion-breaking, not-fun, unintuitive to modify (inasmuch that it can be modified at all, which is "not very much") piece of crap that was well past its sell-by date. Like, 2 years ago...


...Fake-Edit: This idea isn't fleshed out fully, obviously, but is hardly unique to me...

Bin that archaic, space-wasting resource-hog already!


THE OVERVIEW NEEDS AN ENEMA!
Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
#151 - 2012-02-17 15:41:27 UTC
After a four hour roam last night I can confirm the new overview is simply awful, for all the reasons I and others have stated above.

It might suffice for running level 4 missions but it certainly does NOT for situational awareness in solo PVP.
Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#152 - 2012-02-17 15:55:59 UTC
I can't comment too much on most of the overview changes as I was in unknown space so no biggie there one way or another. But I look forward with eager anticipation to the removal of ellipses. If this was intentional, it seems to me that it was only one persons idea of something (not sure what) nice and neat. It really is the opposite of helpful.

Please, remove the ellipses, they serve NO practical use whatsoever. Unless someone can contradict that and get lots of Likes from other people posting?

I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#153 - 2012-02-17 16:00:40 UTC
FWIW:
http://client.eveonline.com/patches/optional/?from=341054&to=342273
Quote:
Crucible 1.2 Client Update #2

Released February 17, 2012

This update addresses issues introduced with Crucible 1.2

User Interface

The ellipses in the overview have been sent to the naughty-stair to think about what they've done
Hover-based overview sort locking will unlock when the mouse is not in the client window regardless of where it was before it left
Corporation bulletins will once again give each other enough space to be seen properly
The minimum width of overview columns has been restored to 24 pixels
Ikoras
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2012-02-17 16:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ikoras
Sigh...

Still cannot minimize chat windows not docked with local without having them disappear into thin air. I'm sure most of us deleted the chat from the NEOCOM the day of release so its not there anymore and frankly I don't want it to be. Window minimization was perfect the way it was before. Having everything grouped should be optional.

Edit to be more clear about the chat windows. The problem with having them collapse into the neocoms chat group or just plain ole disappear is you don't see the name of the flashing channel. So that only leaves 3 options A) Have all windows open and take up you're entire screen with chat windows scanner overview ect. or B and C only use intel local type channels and not socialize with firends else where and vice versa.

The new flashing on the overview is way to bright. Someone is going to have a seizure from it.

As of late I dread hitting the eve icon to load the game in fear that there is "download available" waiting for me. UI was fine the way it was. Other issues should be addressed other than the game looks and feels better "to you".
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-02-17 16:42:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Chokichi Ozuwara
Quote:
Hover-based overview sort locking will unlock when the mouse is not in the client window regardless of where it was before it left

This is not a solution except for people who play AFK.

Those of us who play the game "present" still have issues with this in combat, missioning and doing dodgy salvage ops... (bonus ellipses for old times sake)

Give us an option on the overview, sooner than later because this is a gameplay turnoff for many people who play regularly.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.
Yahrr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#156 - 2012-02-17 16:58:07 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Yahrr wrote:
Another nice one is the horrible new font that is used on all the input fields, and only the input fields. (screenshot for those who have trouble reading text, notice the difference between the 'Ask Price' input field and the labels like 'Regional Average')


This is a bug, I'll look into it. Might be related to your input language - if you use the language bar in Windows, what is your input language set to?

The input language is set to Dutch with the US-International keyboard layout.
Temba Ronin
#157 - 2012-02-17 17:32:13 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
EVE Online: Crucible 1.2 has been deployed successfully. This update introduces considerable performance improvements to the overview, text rendering and window management as well as fixes for the UI and the Mac client. The full patch notes are available here.

This thread is for general feedback. If you encounter any issues please use the Crucible 1.2 issues thread here.

Honestly this is complete and total fabrication!

How dare you continue to peddle this false propaganda, you know the patch is a FAIL for Mac users.

Being poor implementors of upgrades is sadly reality for many companies but being outright liars is not acceptable. I expected better from CCP.

I hope Sony is taking notice of your fail skills in cross platform support. I have canceled my plans to buy a PS3 for Dust.

If CCP can not successfully support Mac users I respectfully request a full refund based on your false advertisement that this was a Mac game also. I live in California and our state attorney general frowns upon internet fraud. Right now I can't even log on while you have received payment in advance for services you are not supplying.

These are not new problems as proven by the Mac forum threads, you know you are defrauding Mac clients and you continue to pretend that you support Mac players, and you continue to take our money. Scamming is a part of EVE play, however if CCP thinks they can get away with scamming Mac users in the USA they had better rethink that notion quickly.

Power To The Players!

The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players!
Avylene
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2012-02-17 18:02:27 UTC
Begins the attempt to condense C1.2 feedback threadnaught:

Changes to a fundamental game mechanic like overview handling warrants a high degree of subjectivity as a matter of customization based on user preference.

The ability to enable/disable locking of pinned windows as one sees fit is currently supported.
So shall it be with overview hover-freezing. Arrow
Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#159 - 2012-02-17 18:36:02 UTC
Daneel Trevize wrote:
FWIW:
http://client.eveonline.com/patches/optional/?from=341054&to=342273
Quote:
Crucible 1.2 Client Update #2

Released February 17, 2012

This update addresses issues introduced with Crucible 1.2

User Interface

The ellipses in the overview have been sent to the naughty-stair to think about what they've done
Hover-based overview sort locking will unlock when the mouse is not in the client window regardless of where it was before it left
Corporation bulletins will once again give each other enough space to be seen properly
The minimum width of overview columns has been restored to 24 pixels


Awesome. I did not see that before my post but I am pretty sure it would have taken place a few hours before my post.
/me slaps his wrist for not checking into this before posting.

Thanks for pointing this out.

I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.
Lucas Quaan
DEMONS OF THE HIDDEN MIST
TRUTH. HONOUR. LIGHT.
#160 - 2012-02-17 18:50:47 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Make the assholes who just come here to comment on other peoples feedback go away tbh.

You first?