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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3021 - 2012-02-17 00:55:56 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
why can't we just all be friends? Smile


Well if you enable the option to invite other players to our CQs then we can be


Open the door to the secret friends clubhouse!!! Next new ambulation feature!!! Big smile

Issler
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3022 - 2012-02-17 01:04:22 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
why can't we just all be friends? Smile


I strongly feel that a healthy debate is a nessecity of not only survival but a perchance for evolution. Something may spark a random mutation that turns into a rather successful species we'd like to call Ambulation.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3023 - 2012-02-17 01:23:03 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:


Firing 20% of your own staff is quite easy if you rehire them in other positions. Such as the awsomeUI developer WoD and refired to help on eve UI instead, the one better known as punkturis.


I don't know where you got this but I've never worked on WoD.. for those 2,5 years I've worked for CCP i've only been working on EVE UI.

I <3 EVE


Thanks for posting, obviously CCP is watching this thread.


Next time how about adding some text pertaining to the thread topic, please?


I've never worked on WiS so I don't know anything about it and can therefore not comment on it.. I just wanted to fix this misunderstanding of me being a former WoD dev...


I apologize for that things are getting heptic around here.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#3024 - 2012-02-17 01:55:20 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Flamespar wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
why can't we just all be friends? Smile


Well if you enable the option to invite other players to our CQs then we can be


Open the door to the secret friends clubhouse!!! Next new ambulation feature!!! Big smile

Issler


Joking aside. I really think CCP should implement this as a beta feature that players can opt in for.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#3025 - 2012-02-17 02:21:27 UTC
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:
Trinity is used for space.
Enlightenment Engine is used for WoD and WiS.

Avatar and indor graphic tech is developed for WoD using the Enlightenment Engine and then is applied for CQ too.

Carbon is just marketing name for all tech CCP have developed.


And how you ppl can not understand... there is no EVE or WoD of DUST...
There is only CCP - the development studio.
They use tech they have or can buy for what ever they think will gain them more money.
All avatar and indor graphic is made for WoD and EVE have free tech that EVE would not got on its own. Its too $$$ tech to develop so that its only used for old game.
Yea... we must realize that -> EVE is old and look at other games that are old as EVE - either they are dead or there is successor on the way.
Because that EVE need something new or it will be dead.

You can say that EVE have 300.000/400.000 accounts so it can live long time with that. Well, look what you write to other players in game when they say that minerals they mine are free. OPPORTUNITY COST - if you invest your time in something and there is something that can get you more money for your time you loose money. There is moment in future when CCP will see that there is better new things to invest hundreds of devs and their time then in OLD EVE, and EVE is dead then.
You, dont letting eve to grow into the new areas to attract new players, are killing EVE. You are killing years of your time that you invested in this game. You are killing your money that you payed for game time.

There is only one direction, known to us, in which EVE can grow and that is WiS.
And there is tech being developed for other game that can make that happen.
Why are you dumb and not letting EVE to live and use that tech?
Why you want EVE dead?

And many ppl like WiS.
Many ppl want WiS.
Many ppl need WiS to play EVE.
So why not give CCP support to make EVE what they want to make from eve - Sci-Fi simulator - and make EVE Forever?

But, i know, there is small part of ppl that are afraid of new things, new ppl, new gameplay and want to things stay how they are. (And some ppl believed them in what ever they were telling them.)
But...
Well... thats impossible.
If you dont grow, you die.
Law of the stronger.


(its late here and i wrote this in half a sleep so i hope that you understand what i want to say.)


p.s.
I know that now i will be attacked my some ppl that many ppl leaved game because of WiS.
I said many times that if they have any evidence of that, show it, but they just love empty talk.
Ppl left because of golden ammo talk, but i don't have strenght to talk about that again.


Edit:
And about that OP is only for WiS here...
LOL... Lol
You ppl that are against WiS are minority, not us.


According to "leaks" from inside CCP last summer, CCP lost 8% (conservatively) on subs. That is a *HELL* of a lot more people than have bumped/+1'd this thread - so I don't really think the people who *aren't* interested in ambulation are the minority...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#3026 - 2012-02-17 02:34:39 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:


According to "leaks" from inside CCP last summer, CCP lost 8% (conservatively) on subs. That is a *HELL* of a lot more people than have bumped/+1'd this thread - so I don't really think the people who *aren't* interested in ambulation are the minority...


People presume that players quit because of Incarna. When in reality it was due to an ongoing decrease in development in the game overall and the fact that Incarna did not meet expectations. and due to the threat of pay to win. Check out the many fanfest videos to see what Incarna was meant to be like in its first iteration. This is what we were expecting. Pro-WiS players were just as pissed off as you at what we actually got.

That is very different from players quiting because of WiS, which you suggest. Your analysis is lazy and incomplete.

As an aside, I actually know a couple players who quit saying that they might came back when (if?) Incarna is actually done.
Taiwanistan
#3027 - 2012-02-17 03:11:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Taiwanistan
Issler Dainze wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:


Stuff



You seem to be spending a lot of time taunting me and decrying my CSM efforts.

My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. A big piece of my job for a large software company here in the PACNW was in the PC gaming world. If you are at all clever with "the google" you can likely figure out a little more about that. So as a result I have exposure to a large number of gamers. Many that have played Eve, few that remain. One of the reasons all that left Eve cited was that they wanted to have an avatar experience. That other games gave them an experience they felt they could more related to.

I also have encountered a very large number of players in Eve and most of the folks I've interacted with expressed a desire to see ambulation in Eve. I think this thread makes a strong case for that as well.

So am pretty confident that my DIRECT experiences and observations make my theory about how important ambulation is to expanding the Eve player base more relevant the the what goes on in your noggin.

Issler

you mean you worked at microsoft? they make mmos? you know experience in the gaming industry are good credentials to show for csm candidates so list them just sayin.

explain how you want priority on wis while not taking any resources away from fis, please.
NO Ur NOGGIN

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#3028 - 2012-02-17 03:25:21 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Cearain wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Cearain wrote:

Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.

In that time this thread has had:
2,981 replies,
71,804 views
but only 187 likes for your original post.

I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.

I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.


Those stats mean nothing, especially if you look at all the other posted replies in this thread. Total up the amount of 'Likes' for Pro-Wis replies and compair those to the amount of 'Likes' for the Anti-WiS replies, then post the results. Obviously you didn't bother to read thru this thread.

Attacking Issler and this thread because of CSM voting only shows how little you really know.

Silence, oh ye of little faith, lest ye incur the wrath of the Allmighty.



These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it:

Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.

Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.

Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you.


You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him.



I think it is you that is confused about what likes mean.

A couple of things:

1, The thread is still alive because of lots of different people, now including CCP devs keep posting,
2. The thread has 5200+ likes spread throughout all of the replies with the vast majority being in support of ambulation.

If you really believe it is the same handful of people then prove it or STFU. Feel free to go through the 3K+ posts and tabulate the posters names and also the likes for and and against.

In the mean time, keep looking like a tragic victim of space induced madness with your weak arguments and lack of statistical insight.

If I can prove more than 187 characters posted will you biomass yourself and drop your subscription? Wait, I know what's coming, whatever number I ended up with you'd say they were ll my alts.......

Issler



I simply pointed out some facts.

Point of fact: This thread has been bumped to page one of eve general since october of 2011

Point of fact: there were only 187 likes for the original post as of my last post.

Now you can try to explain these facts away. Like someone was saying maybe people posting here didn't read the original post. I mean I think that is a pretty funny explanation but whatever.


If pointing out facts makes you angry unless I also prove something else to you I am sorry. But I am not going to stfu just because the facts I point out make you upset.

BTW do you know how many times you have posted in this thread? Just curious.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Taiwanistan
#3029 - 2012-02-17 03:48:09 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
why can't we just all be friends? Smile

let's see that team avatar devblog

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3030 - 2012-02-17 03:50:20 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:


Stuff



You seem to be spending a lot of time taunting me and decrying my CSM efforts.

My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts. A big piece of my job for a large software company here in the PACNW was in the PC gaming world. If you are at all clever with "the google" you can likely figure out a little more about that. So as a result I have exposure to a large number of gamers. Many that have played Eve, few that remain. One of the reasons all that left Eve cited was that they wanted to have an avatar experience. That other games gave them an experience they felt they could more related to.

I also have encountered a very large number of players in Eve and most of the folks I've interacted with expressed a desire to see ambulation in Eve. I think this thread makes a strong case for that as well.

So am pretty confident that my DIRECT experiences and observations make my theory about how important ambulation is to expanding the Eve player base more relevant the the what goes on in your noggin.

Issler

you mean you worked at microsoft? they make mmos? you know experience in the gaming industry are good credentials to show for csm candidates so list them just sayin.

explain how you want priority on wis while not taking any resources away from fis, please.
NO Ur NOGGIN


Microsoft did make MMO's but I am referring to the policy of our team that made technology I worked on and that is used on all PC games, to adopt a game and play it daily with the latest internal builds of our technology. Do a little homework and you'll find me on 4 patents that make those little pixels move around so well, I also helped get Xbox started.

I've shared my history in the past. Do some homework, not my job to "impress" you in this thread.

I have never said ambulation is my top priority, I've advocated a balanced approach, so stop making stuff up.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3031 - 2012-02-17 03:57:10 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Cearain wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Cearain wrote:

Issler you have bumped this thread to the top of eve general since October of 2011.

In that time this thread has had:
2,981 replies,
71,804 views
but only 187 likes for your original post.

I think the lack of support for your op tends to prove ccp made the correct decision in going back to spaceships.

I'm not saying they will never get back to WIS. But its clearly not the most pressing issue for players despite your efforts to garner support for it.


Those stats mean nothing, especially if you look at all the other posted replies in this thread. Total up the amount of 'Likes' for Pro-Wis replies and compair those to the amount of 'Likes' for the Anti-WiS replies, then post the results. Obviously you didn't bother to read thru this thread.

Attacking Issler and this thread because of CSM voting only shows how little you really know.

Silence, oh ye of little faith, lest ye incur the wrath of the Allmighty.



These stats tend to show not many agree with his position no matter how you want to put it:

Just because all 187 of you tend to give eachother a bunch of likes doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.

Just because it might be the same 187 people viewing this page over and over doesn't mean there are more than 187 of you.

Just because it is the same 187 of you replying to eachothers posts and getting upset at people who disagree with you, doesn't mean there is more than 187 of you.


You see the point is you guys have bumped this to the front page of the most frequented eve forum since october of 2011 and only 187 people like the original post. That tends to show that very few people agree with him.



I think it is you that is confused about what likes mean.

A couple of things:

1, The thread is still alive because of lots of different people, now including CCP devs keep posting,
2. The thread has 5200+ likes spread throughout all of the replies with the vast majority being in support of ambulation.

If you really believe it is the same handful of people then prove it or STFU. Feel free to go through the 3K+ posts and tabulate the posters names and also the likes for and and against.

In the mean time, keep looking like a tragic victim of space induced madness with your weak arguments and lack of statistical insight.

If I can prove more than 187 characters posted will you biomass yourself and drop your subscription? Wait, I know what's coming, whatever number I ended up with you'd say they were ll my alts.......

Issler



I simply pointed out some facts.

Point of fact: This thread has been bumped to page one of eve general since october of 2011

Point of fact: there were only 187 likes for the original post as of my last post.

Now you can try to explain these facts away. Like someone was saying maybe people posting here didn't read the original post. I mean I think that is a pretty funny explanation but whatever.


If pointing out facts makes you angry unless I also prove something else to you I am sorry. But I am not going to stfu just because the facts I point out make you upset.

BTW do you know how many times you have posted in this thread? Just curious.


....and 3K likes throughout the thread, the majority supporting the point of the original post. The thread was bumped much more often by other folks, not me, and I have no idea how many times I posted, I do know I tried to answer any non-troll post.

A lot of folks when a thread gets huge go to the end and like the later posts so your first post like thing is nonsense, I never asked folks to like the first post if they agreed, I asked them post in the thread if they supported ambulation, and guess what, they exceeded my expectations by a huge margin.

So why don't you go off and count all the posts by author and the likes for and against and then amaze me with your incredible intellect!

And for a bonus, show me any thread you've started that ever amounted to anything.

Issler
Taiwanistan
#3032 - 2012-02-17 03:59:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Taiwanistan
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=714492#post714492 not making it up
call it a momentary slip and i will let it go, wis priority is not acceptable, continued development at diminished capacity is

look, it's one thing for me to sperg about Issler Dainze, and another for me to google you as the RL person, unless "Issler Dainze" is on your resume and public records how do i find out about your background.

if you think all your potential constituents and other undecided voters need to "do their homework" in case they might want to vote for you, then so be it. what i meant is you can post that background stuff on your election website or jita park thread doofus

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3033 - 2012-02-17 04:09:20 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.


Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true.

I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around.

But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.

Roll




☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#3034 - 2012-02-17 04:40:29 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:

Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true.


How about me?

When I started playing EvE, I thought it was a lovely game, but I never stuck around (because there's only so much that's entertaining about floating in an asteroid field). Then I heard that we were getting Ambulation, and my desire to play was increased a hundred-fold.

Now, after the Incarna debacle and Monoclegate, my enthusiasm has dulled a bit. I'm not leaving -- not by a long shot -- but the idea of Ambulation was what brought me back and convinced me to stay.

Without that promise of 'freedom' from the pod, I may not have come back.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3035 - 2012-02-17 04:54:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:

Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true.


How about me?

When I started playing EvE, I thought it was a lovely game, but I never stuck around (because there's only so much that's entertaining about floating in an asteroid field). Then I heard that we were getting Ambulation, and my desire to play was increased a hundred-fold.

Now, after the Incarna debacle and Monoclegate, my enthusiasm has dulled a bit. I'm not leaving -- not by a long shot -- but the idea of Ambulation was what brought me back and convinced me to stay.

Without that promise of 'freedom' from the pod, I may not have come back.



Issler's argument is: "folks [are] not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way"


You ARE playing EVE, so your argument is non-sequitur, and a poor attempt at white-knighting for Issler.

If you only re-subbed because you thought CCP was going to deliver on "ambulation" and compelling, meaningful content for it any time soon, I hope you brought your own Vaseline.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3036 - 2012-02-17 04:55:28 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=714492#post714492 not making it up
call it a momentary slip and i will let it go, wis priority is not acceptable, continued development at diminished capacity is

look, it's one thing for me to sperg about Issler Dainze, and another for me to google you as the RL person, unless "Issler Dainze" is on your resume and public records how do i find out about your background.

if you think all your potential constituents and other undecided voters need to "do their homework" in case they might want to vote for you, then so be it. what i meant is you can post that background stuff on your election website or jita park thread doofus


A priority, yes, of course, top priority, no.

It would take you seconds to find who I am in RL since it is part of the previous CSM records in the Eve wiki.

I have a background web page ready and will be spending a lot of time talking about my background and qualifications in the context of the CSM 7 elections. This is the ambulation thread, not the "me for CSM 7" thread.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3037 - 2012-02-17 05:06:25 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.


Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true.

I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around.

But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.

Roll






I most definitely contributed considerable IP to the DX shader model and am listed as an inventor for four of the patents, present at several major technical conferences about the standards I helped develop and assisted virtually every hardfware company making compatible hardware comply with the DX9 standards and even recieved several quite nice bonuses when the patents were granted, but I expect you enjoy Morgan more than I enjoyed what I did with the money....

Also contributed to patents at Compaq and Motorola in the 35 years I've been an engineer in the PC space.... but again, your imaginary spouse is very impressitve....

So what do you do for a living, does it involve fast food fryers??

Issler
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3038 - 2012-02-17 05:14:44 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


My theory about folks not playing Eve because of not being able to leave their ships in any meaningful way is based on actual facts.


Still waiting to see these facts of yours, ones I and others can verify. Please try not to evade this time by trying to shift the onus to me and just admit you have nothing but what you *believe* to be true.

I can believe you might have filed a patent for a company as a clerk or paper-pusher someplace, but you were never responsible for creating any patentable IP unless it was for shoveling BS around.

But please do go on, while we're at it I'd like to introduce you to my wife, Morgan Fairchild.

Roll






I most definitely contributed considerable IP to the DX shader model and am listed as an inventor for four of the patents, present at several major technical conferences about the standards I helped develop and assisted virtually every hardfware company making compatible hardware comply with the DX9 standards and even recieved several quite nice bonuses when the patents were granted, but I expect you enjoy Morgan more than I enjoyed what I did with the money....

Also contributed to patents at Compaq and Motorola in the 35 years I've been an engineer in the PC space.... but again, your imaginary spouse is very impressitve....

So what do you do for a living, does it involve fast food fryers??

Issler


Still waiting to see those facts you claim to have.. Your attempts to distract from that via irrelevant chest-beating notwithstanding.




☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Taiwanistan
#3039 - 2012-02-17 05:23:15 UTC
http://ip.com/patent/US8035646
that's actually pretty impressive
so it's literally your fault that the game industry has a Console over PC mentality nowadays.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3040 - 2012-02-17 05:35:08 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
http://ip.com/patent/US8035646
that's actually pretty impressive
so it's literally your fault that the game industry has a Console over PC mentality nowadays.


Well, high end PCs still are better at graphics than consoles..... but sure, blame me! Smile

Issler