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Parthonax
#141 - 2012-02-16 11:33:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Parthonax
Malcanis wrote:
I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.

I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue.


Because nullsec alliances earn more money from moongoo then from mining ,and is so much easier to set up and operate i think it is highly inlogical that the commodity that is worth most needs the least work to extract, you just set up a pos n set up a range of reactions and you are done only thing you need to do is to fuel the pos and empty the storage every week or so

Second which serious pvp orientated player wants to babysit over a bunch of miners while he can earn a couple 100 mil doing plexes or anmolies

thirdly ratting bots are easier to handle than real people

Refining in nullsec is aweful compared to highsec refining

etc etc

and lastly one afk cloaker can kill any attempt of industrial expansion in a matter of days
so this is permanence
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#142 - 2012-02-16 11:33:35 UTC
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Mnengli Noiliffe wrote:
Interesting thing about hulkageddon is that it is basically game destructing activity, whatever goons are trying to tell you. Because noobs are the future of this game.

You should realise that the only people who do mining in highsec are the total noobs (who may bot too). There is a WAY batter ways to make money for every non noob carebear out there.

So basically what hulkageddon effectively does is killing the new players only in high sec. Way to ensure game survival in the long run (not).

it is NOT anti carebear strategy since carebears are safely running missions/incursions and producing stuff for great profits.

If goons really wanted to increase risk in high sec, they'd go after incursions (mom killing - that darius whatever guy got bored really quick with that, didn't he?), ganking the pimp mobile battleships (yep, they need more than 5 gank nados typically), after orcas (yup-, they need 20+ gank nados and then will NEVER drop anything worthwhile).

I doubt goons are capable of this though, they will stick with ganking noobs all over highsec for a show though.

If you go look at a mining field, and check ages, most of those toons are NOT noob characters. check your facts.

Also, as for ganking those shiny BS, its alot easier than attacking them. They die as soon as their logi stops repping, so the proper approach is to gank the logi, and laugh while the rats kill the shiny ships.

I think someone is using a sock puppet to try and protect his highsec mining alt.

lol i haven't mined since first few months in game and couldn't care less about the miners. i just feel ignored in my 200 ehp orca making 2 bil per week selling t2 stuff in jita for over 6 months now. why would i mine? i already try to minimize my time spent in this boring game so i only need to log in once per week to set up production jobs and then to undercut a couple of times per day. instead of wasting time with mining for 10 mil/hour i can run some missions for at least 50 mil/hour in my t2 tengu and alt's t2 mach. logi for missions? you gotta be kidding me, they barely ever scratch the shield of my tengu...

and you are delusional if you think someone needs to protect their mining alts by posting on forums...

Not logi for missions, logi for incursions. Thats what the topic was. I dare you to go solo an incursion vanguard in your precious tengu.

I run orca support for miners on an alt, which is how I have some idea of whats involved. I make 60+ mil an hour semi-afk in a carrier(I'm to lazy to optimize my isk/hr). I don't gank, I just do nullsec pvp. But, as a member of the CFC, I am VERY familiar with how to do it.

However, your statement about ganking highsec miners is still wrong. They are NOT mostly noobs(tho some are, and they will inevitably get ganked as well) and they are the easiest bots in the game to catch, since they are so easy to find and can't set up auto-docking when a neut comes into the system.

Also, ganking someone and watching them podmine the belt is the easiest way to ID a bot. A noob isn't gonna keep warping between the station and the belt in a pod the way a bot will.

And your a moron if you think people who run bots don't come crying to the forums about how ebil all the gankers are.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#143 - 2012-02-16 11:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
What a monstrously LARGE FAIL at a Troll.

This is NOT unusually high behavior for that group or that board.

Nothing has changed.

Nothing to see here.

The Goon board looks like this everyday here.

You guys are unreal................Roll

I fully support H'geddon, but this is NOT Hulkageddon....at all.

PROOF: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=808145#post808145

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Leeroy McJenkins
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-02-16 15:28:36 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
I used to be in TEST


This explains a lot.

I Don't play EVE
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#145 - 2012-02-16 16:39:02 UTC
ITT people who don't make the maximum isk over time possible call people noobs for making less isk over time than they do.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Khan Farshatok
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#146 - 2012-02-16 18:29:12 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.

I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue.




Maybe it's because:

They don't feel they have the time to commit to joining a player corp, meaning they're casual gamers that have a lot of RL time commitments.

They don't wish to join a player corp because they don't want to have to be restricted by the corps rules or requests.

If they're in a player corp it's probably because their corp does not have a foothold in 0.0.


or, and im just throwing this out there as a small possibility, they see all the bots doing it in high sec and think its the place to do it. its ok though noobs of the game. the bots will run out of money way before we do and soon you will come to see that you can make 4 times as much out in 0.0. which is really our intent. more people in 0.0

VOTE MITTANI CSM!!
Khan Farshatok
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#147 - 2012-02-16 18:39:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Khan Farshatok
Parthonax wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.

I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue.


Because nullsec alliances earn more money from moongoo then from mining ,and is so much easier to set up and operate i think it is highly inlogical that the commodity that is worth most needs the least work to extract, you just set up a pos n set up a range of reactions and you are done only thing you need to do is to fuel the pos and empty the storage every week or so

Second which serious pvp orientated player wants to babysit over a bunch of miners while he can earn a couple 100 mil doing plexes or anmolies

thirdly ratting bots are easier to handle than real people

Refining in nullsec is aweful compared to highsec refining

etc etc

and lastly one afk cloaker can kill any attempt of industrial expansion in a matter of days



guys!!! everyone go get a tech moon. apparently we are all doing it wrong.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#148 - 2012-02-16 22:40:50 UTC
Good Lord this argument is getting old.

"Null sec is better! Everyone, move to null!"

"No! We LIKE IT in high sec!"

"Then we're going to make your lives miserable, to show you that high sec sucks."

"..."
Khan Farshatok
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#149 - 2012-02-17 00:57:52 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Good Lord this argument is getting old.

"Null sec is better! Everyone, move to null!"

"No! We LIKE IT in high sec!"

"Then we're going to make your lives miserable, to show you that high sec sucks."

"..."



just because its old doesnt mean its not a good one. i mean look at the argument of which god is the real god. or if god exists
bilingi
Grandeur Illusions
#150 - 2012-02-17 01:15:28 UTC
Maybe the goons should kill their own bots first?.. There is a Map after all its easy to find them....
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#151 - 2012-02-17 01:22:37 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Good Lord this argument is getting old.

"Null sec is better! Everyone, move to null!"

"No! We LIKE IT in high sec!"

"Then we're going to make your lives miserable, to show you that high sec sucks."

"..."



Nullsec has no angry neutrals who might suicide gank you for a laugh. Just sayin.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#152 - 2012-02-17 03:36:48 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Nullsec has no angry neutrals who might suicide gank you for a laugh. Just sayin.

They don't have to suicide, yeah. At least usually they don't get blown up immediately after the gank.

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Victor Bastion
Danger Management
#153 - 2012-02-17 09:08:34 UTC
Implement a "Captcha" you must type in before you can un-dock. If you need a reason why call it a security clearance. There you go, bot problem solved and we can stop listening to this same debate OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#154 - 2012-02-17 09:24:35 UTC
Victor Bastion wrote:
Implement a "Captcha" you must type in before you can un-dock. If you need a reason why call it a security clearance. There you go, bot problem solved and we can stop listening to this same debate OVER AND OVER AGAIN.


We have the perfect bot filterBlink
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#155 - 2012-02-17 09:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Khan Farshatok wrote:
Sasha Azala wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.

I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue.




Maybe it's because:

They don't feel they have the time to commit to joining a player corp, meaning they're casual gamers that have a lot of RL time commitments.

They don't wish to join a player corp because they don't want to have to be restricted by the corps rules or requests.

If they're in a player corp it's probably because their corp does not have a foothold in 0.0.


or, and im just throwing this out there as a small possibility, they see all the bots doing it in high sec and think its the place to do it. its ok though noobs of the game. the bots will run out of money way before we do and soon you will come to see that you can make 4 times as much out in 0.0. which is really our intent. more people in 0.0

VOTE MITTANI CSM!!



I'd say you're talking crap especially when you're talking about bots.


You can make good isk in 0.0, I used to make good isk there just from ratting belts. Problem with 0.0 is you have to be in a large corp/alliance, which might not suit everybody.
Parthonax
#156 - 2012-02-17 09:51:38 UTC
Khan Farshatok wrote:

or, and im just throwing this out there as a small possibility, they see all the bots doing it in high sec and think its the place to do it. its ok though noobs of the game. the bots will run out of money way before we do and soon you will come to see that you can make 4 times as much out in 0.0. which is really our intent. more people in 0.0

VOTE MITTANI CSM!!


Well there is rather one small problem with your theory , not only are you and thealot of your goons pure hypocrites , you really have no idea why people refuse to go nullsec and what people really want from this game , you only see your side and even refuse to acknowledge that botting and RMT even exsist in nullsec , while everybody else know pretty well where the real problem with bots are

you are starting this campaign and call it a war against bots while you damn know well that 3 out of 4 victims will be real people and not a macro , all this while you are protecting your own ratting bots tsk tsk

Sometimes i am convinced that if EVE ever dies it will be the arrogance and mentallity of alliances like the goons that will eventually kill the game 
so this is permanence
Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#157 - 2012-02-17 09:52:29 UTC
I say...
Plenty of sabre rattling, not so much pinging off my hull...

FFS get on with it...



There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#158 - 2012-02-17 09:53:21 UTC
bilingi wrote:
Maybe the goons should kill their own bots first?.. There is a Map after all its easy to find them....

Goons don't screw goons. Its the number one no-no in GSF, and why they don't report each other if there is a bot.

On the other hand, they generally don't feel compelled to defend a bot in their alliance, and will just laugh at anyone complaining that their bot got screwed. Just don't expect them to do the screwing themselves.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#159 - 2012-02-17 09:58:00 UTC
Parthonax wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I've always found it odd that people mine in highsec when 0.0 is so much safer. There's way more ore and better ore too in nullsec, and you're closer to your biggest customers.

I guess the refining is not quite as good though, maybe that's an issue.


Because nullsec alliances earn more money from moongoo then from mining ,and is so much easier to set up and operate i think it is highly inlogical that the commodity that is worth most needs the least work to extract, you just set up a pos n set up a range of reactions and you are done only thing you need to do is to fuel the pos and empty the storage every week or so

Second which serious pvp orientated player wants to babysit over a bunch of miners while he can earn a couple 100 mil doing plexes or anmolies

thirdly ratting bots are easier to handle than real people

Refining in nullsec is aweful compared to highsec refining

etc etc

and lastly one afk cloaker can kill any attempt of industrial expansion in a matter of days


Moon goo can't substitute for minerals, and as said above, the worthwhile moons are almost alwys held on a corp or alliance level, not by individuals. But I wasn't asking why "alliances" don't mine in 0.0. I was asking why hi-sec miners don't mine in 0.0? I am continually being told that sov 0.0 is far safer than hi-sec, and surely the superabundance of ores in superior types can make up for refining inefficiencies? (Also IIRC mining outposts can be upgraded to allow perfect refines)

It seems like it would be a no-brainer for your average hi-sec miner to join a backwater 0.0 alliance and mine all day

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#160 - 2012-02-17 10:00:13 UTC
Parthonax wrote:
Khan Farshatok wrote:

or, and im just throwing this out there as a small possibility, they see all the bots doing it in high sec and think its the place to do it. its ok though noobs of the game. the bots will run out of money way before we do and soon you will come to see that you can make 4 times as much out in 0.0. which is really our intent. more people in 0.0

VOTE MITTANI CSM!!


Well there is rather one small problem with your theory , not only are you and thealot of your goons pure hypocrites , you really have no idea why people refuse to go nullsec and what people really want from this game , you only see your side and even refuse to acknowledge that botting and RMT even exsist in nullsec , while everybody else know pretty well where the real problem with bots are

you are starting this campaign and call it a war against bots while you damn know well that 3 out of 4 victims will be real people and not a macro , all this while you are protecting your own ratting bots tsk tsk

Sometimes i am convinced that if EVE ever dies it will be the arrogance and mentallity of alliances like the goons that will eventually kill the game

Those of us in null don't deny the existence of null bots, and most CFC alliances have anti bot policies(not all, just most of us).

You don't hear about it because we don't raise drama over people slaughtering bots, and laugh at people who get caught in the crossfire for acting too much like a bot.

You really need to realize that most of the problem bots do live in highsec, because its harder to shut them down up there. Here in null, all you have to do is park a cloaky in their system and the bot hides, and won't come out til it has been taught to ignore you(usually takes about a week, at which point you can freely kill it or bring in a different character to shut it down). Highsec bots ignore neuts in system because ::CONCORD:: which makes suicide ganking easier, but for the same reason non-bots act like bots(mostly afk, only moving when they have to, not talking because they are afk) and are gonna get caught if a sweep comes through.

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