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Community HATES thought of FtP but their actions push CCP that way

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#161 - 2012-02-16 13:13:17 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Whereas the F2P model has proven to work, I really don't see it as the best solution for everyone.



Depends if you're talking about F2P as completely free except for a shop, or just free of subs which is not actually F2P as you still have to purchase the game and the expansions, plus putting up with a shop.


And that is why I don't think it is the best solution for everyone and it would be interesting to see the actual relevant numbers before and after F2P.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

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Joe Skellington
Sarz'na Khumatari
#162 - 2012-02-16 14:10:14 UTC
Clicked thinking this was about File Transfer Protocol and left disappointed.

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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2012-02-16 14:41:31 UTC
I see nothing in the OP but a series of unsubstantiated claims. Eve is a tough universe, you may have come across that tag line on more than a few occasions.

EvE's player-base is special and probably unique, BECAUSE of CCP's original vision. Most people here don't want MT, or PTW or even FTP. The reason being is that the idea is everyone is given the same chances to be one of the big players, rather than who is the richest. While PLEX's have taken some of that away, it changes very little as you could spend a fortune on the mightiest ship in EVE, only to have it ganked by a handful of well organised players.

No one has anything against carebear's really, we gank them for the fun of it. People gank us for the fun of it too. DO we whine and demand changes? No we say 'GF' and move on. If you don't like it, then EvE isn't the game for you, it's that simple.

The bottom line is EvE isn't like any other game, and neither is it's core player base. We kick up a fuss when we see CCP trying to turn it into something it's not, or when they simply stop working on it.

EvE started losing players with PI, and when MT came out the stream became a tide. Since crucible that trend has gone a full 180.

The post-script second bottom like is this - The EvE community will not eat itself. As long as CCP continue to work on vastly improving what we already have, rather then coming up with rushed and lame content and also make expansions which are well tested and complete, eve will continue to grow at a steady rate.

[URL="https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82348"]UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch[/URL]
Vizvayu Koga
#164 - 2012-02-16 16:08:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizvayu Koga
Liang Nuren wrote:

Sand boxes have walls (rules), but what you do in between is entirely up to you.

Eve is a sandbox.

-Liang


If the rules change your behaviour changes as well, so no, it's not entirely up to you.
Try to understand what I mean, please don't turn this into a word game. If you want let's say it is a sandbox, but that doesn't mean a sandbox grants complete freedom.


Mara Rinn wrote:
A sand castle is still made of sand. Is the fact that everything in a sandbox is made of sand a damning sign that the sandbox provider is shaping your behavior?


Yes it is, and that's a simple fact that cannot be changed. The important thing here is to be aware of that, also knowing that some kind of behaviours can be changed by small and subtle changes in the sand.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#165 - 2012-02-16 16:15:46 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Switching to "free" to play won't help Eve increase the size of its player base because I and a lot of other players will quit in disgust.


You mean switching it to a different model. It already is free. With microtransactions.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Valei Khurelem
#166 - 2012-02-16 16:56:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Quote:
I see nothing in the OP but a series of unsubstantiated claims. Eve is a tough universe, you may have come across that tag line on more than a few occasions.


EVE isn't a tough universe, if it was tough it would be tough for everyone, right now the people attacking the OP for his comments on the obvious remind me so much of chavs in my country, they talk so much **** and boast about how awesome they are but the moment you decide to fight back they run off like the pussies they really are.

The only reason that people talk so much **** on the forums is because they know they can get away with it, it's the same thing elsewhere too, the majority of people wouldn't say half these things if they could be punched in the face for it. You aren't 'hardcore' or 'tough' for running around ganking solo players and industrialists, you're just an ******* who's too afraid to pick a fair fight.

I really wish they'd put FPS boarding combat in EVE, nothing would say "**** you and your Tech 2 battleship" more than a well placed shotgun to the face and being able to steal it after would only sweeten the deal.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2012-02-16 17:17:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kessiaan
Miss Whippy wrote:
I see nothing in the OP but a series of unsubstantiated claims. Eve is a tough universe, you may have come across that tag line on more than a few occasions.


+1. I haven't seen anything in this thread except (even more) variations of the same threads that people have been posting since before I started playing in 2007. If it was going to kill EvE it would have happened long ago.

In many ways EvE is the last of its kind - an old-school virtual-world MMO. I can't think of any other pre-WoW games that didn't fall on their own sword trying to emulate the 800lb gorilla somewhere between 2004 and now, and the entire genre has been stagnant for years now because people just keep trying to out-WoW WoW and it never works and never will. EvE succeeds because it an old-school sandbox and not in spite of it, with all of the ups and downs that entails.

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I really wish they'd put FPS boarding combat in EVE, nothing would say "**** you and your Tech 2 battleship" more than a well placed shotgun to the face and being able to steal it after would only sweeten the deal.


We can only hope. Maybe with Dust?

KB Link
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#168 - 2012-02-16 18:04:45 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:

The only reason that people talk so much **** on the forums is because they know they can get away with it, it's the same thing elsewhere too, the majority of people wouldn't say half these things if they could be punched in the face for it. You aren't 'hardcore' or 'tough' for running around ganking solo players and industrialists, you're just an ******* who's too afraid to pick a fair fight.


I live in Santa Barbara CA and will be at The Brewhouse tomorrow at 5:30pm. And I'll tell you exactly the same things there. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Karthwritte
Trouble Seekers Incorporated
#169 - 2012-02-16 20:38:44 UTC
Well, how many times this got to be explained....
EVE its not just a game where you sit and enjoy.
What its EVE best its about sweat, tears and blood. Its a clash of will. Its a clash of mind. Its a persistent dead is dead massive multiplayer game. The work CCP got its about maintaining & improving the sandbox so people enjoy between and after your will and mind have been tested. This can happen against the virtual world (PVE) or against the real world (PVP).
If you wish a game without so much sacrifice, buy the yearly CoD, or buy the new Zelda. And if you cant beat it then check the youtube walkthroughts.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-02-16 21:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuri Kinnes
Valei Khurelem wrote:
No, 39k online with how much was it last announcement? 200,000 subscribers? ( correct me if I'm wrong on that number but that's the last report I remember ) Says this is an unpopular game, if CCP had devoted themselves to this type of game and making EVE as good as it can be rather than going for get rich quick schemes or pissing away their time on unknown MMORPGs and games they'd have far more people playing than people just subscribing.

I judge a game's success not by how many sales they make but by whether they're still playing it years later, the numbers actually being active in this game have gone up and down over the years but it still remains pretty low compared to the amount of subscribers there are.

There should be 200,000 players lagging this server up daily and causing queues to show me this is a popular game people enjoy, but that just isn't happening, even on the weekends and those are the facts, if this game was so awesome then why are their so many accounts just sitting about being unused?

Because everyone and their brother has two, three or four accounts? Last QEN I saw (Q4 2010?) - said that the average player had 2.2 accounts/player.

Also, as far as being niche? I'm still waiting for you to address how eve *isn't* a niche game, from post 48...
Here...
Cipher Jones wrote:
Less players play on the tranquility server now than at its peak.

There will always be fewer players on that at it's peak, that's why it's a "peak".
Roll
Valei Khurelem wrote:

...removed a bunch of BS
you're just an ******* who's too afraid to pick a fair fight.

If you ever get a fair fight in Eve, you've made a mistake, your opponent has made a mistake or your fighting a friend.


You do know how Eve started out don't you? A couple of Icelandic gamers got together and decided to make a game. Why? Because they couldn't grief people as much as they wanted to in some other game.

Originally, there was no hi-sec, there was no missions, there was no low-sec. All there was, was mining and blowing **** up.


THAT is how it started...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Tak McMonagle
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#171 - 2012-02-16 22:39:06 UTC
Why does everyone think that Eve's harsh world is going to cause it to die? It hasn't died yet, why would it start now? If you can't/won't adapt or fight back find something else to spend your money on. Sure, it's "self destructive" for me to say that but why spend your money on something you don't want?
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#172 - 2012-02-16 23:08:59 UTC
I would like to point out that we do in fact have avatars now. Just no one else can see them yet because we're all locked in our rooms.

Out of Pod is getting In the Pod - Join in game channel **IG OOPE **
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#173 - 2012-02-16 23:11:30 UTC
This thread makes me want to ragequit the planet.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-02-16 23:39:17 UTC
?????

Why did our posts get deleted?

What?

Inquiring minds wanna know!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#175 - 2012-02-16 23:44:44 UTC
Allowing people to play an online game for free always attracts the bots, the hackers, the smacktards and stupid ragetard kids...
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#176 - 2012-02-17 00:30:54 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
?????

Why did our posts get deleted?

What?

Inquiring minds wanna know!


Some of the posts were actually really good posts. I'm glad I saved the post about Rift PCU.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Vizvayu Koga
#177 - 2012-02-17 00:56:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizvayu Koga
Liang Nuren wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
?????

Why did our posts get deleted?

What?

Inquiring minds wanna know!


Some of the posts were actually really good posts. I'm glad I saved the post about Rift PCU.

-Liang


I agree they were perfectly good posts, completely on topic . I too lost a post yesterday, so I just created a petition regarding this issue. It may be a bug (I hope).
Ai Shun
#178 - 2012-02-17 01:23:01 UTC
Tak McMonagle wrote:
Why does everyone think that Eve's harsh world is going to cause it to die? It hasn't died yet, why would it start now? If you can't/won't adapt or fight back find something else to spend your money on. Sure, it's "self destructive" for me to say that but why spend your money on something you don't want?


And yet, people choose the movies they go to see; the music they listen to; the bars they visit and all those other forms of entertainment. You don't see them walk into a bar and demand the décor, music and menu are changed to suit what they want.

It makes me wonder why the same consumers treat a video game so differently when they still have the freedom to choose something that suits them better.

It is very peculiar.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#179 - 2012-02-17 04:01:02 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Because everyone and their brother has two, three or four accounts? Last QEN I saw (Q4 2010?) - said that the average player had 2.2 accounts/player.
No. No account/player number has ever been given (for the simple reason that there is no way of determining it). It has been roughly guesstimated (by people outside of CCP) to be maybe 1½ or so, but that's mainly based on anecdotal evidence — not actual data. The number you're thinking of is the number of characters per account.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#180 - 2012-02-17 05:16:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Valei Khurelem wrote:
I really wish they'd put FPS boarding combat in EVE, nothing would say "**** you and your Tech 2 battleship" more than a well placed shotgun to the face and being able to steal it after would only sweeten the deal.

Only if you have to travel to the ship in a pod. Heh.

That said rifters boarding Titans would be the best thing ever. With 100 newbies, surely one can pod that titan pilot in his supercap.
Mara Rinn wrote:
edit; Wow! Just saw my first suicide bank in hisec!

edit: no, belay that, it looks like it was just someone ganking a war target. =(

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?