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None ofthe Above
#1 - 2012-02-12 21:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Am I needed? I had thought so, but certain candidates have emerged as viable.

Like this thread if you think "None ofthe Above" is needed as a protest vote. Speak up and say why (I won't submit my application until I am convinced this is for the greater good). If you disagree, say so. Feel free to trash talk, all opinions will be considered. Even from NPC corp alts and goons.

What is the CSM and what should it be?

On one level those who criticize the CSM for being a publicity stunt to patch over some bad press and resentment for poor decisions and actions on CCP's part are probably at least partially correct.

But its much more than that.

It puts a face on the player base and helps bind strong connections with CCP.

It acts as a playerbase elected Focus Group or Advisory Board for more guarded long term planning.

It helps the players feel that they are well represented and a part of the future of the game. Giving them a stake in the welfare.

What is wrong with the CSM?

The CSM for all it's accomplishments faces several challenges. Due to prior apathy by certain blocks the null block was more or less able to take control.

Several CSM are openly hostile to large sections of the playerbase, particularly its leadership.

It is being used as part of the meta-game to "win" EVE.

In some senses, the worst senses, the CSM represents the playerbase a little too well. We need to be able to rise above the conflicts between groups in game and apply logic and balance to help guide CCP.

Current campaign tactics make a mockery of the CSM and under cut its value. The fact that a "gimmick" candidate like myself could run on elevating the level of discourse speaks volumes.

What is right with the CSM?

CSM6, due to a combination of circumstance and competence, has magnified its relevance. Proving its usefulness to CCP and to perhaps a lesser extent to the playerbase. They have helped a number of improvements make it into the Crucible patch/expansion and they deserve credit for that. As does CCP for realizing they needed to make some changes.

Who in nerfing hell is None ofthe Above?

No one of consequence.

I am no one.

I am everyone.

I am None ofthe Above

The man behind the meme

Relatively new player (still a rookie as in less than a year) who can provide perspective on the new player experience, but an old grizzled veteran in the realms of computer gaming, networks and programming. Played Ultima Online and Multiplayer Neverwinter Nights but never WOW. Over two decades and nearing a third as a professional programmer and technical management.

In EVE I have many alts and have been veraciously devouring information and learning all aspects of the game. Largely high and lowsec for the moment, poked inside WHs a couple of times. Mining, industry, missions, PVP have been my focus so far.

Why are you running?
Seemed like an opening existed for something different, perhaps even a need.

to be continued...

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
None ofthe Above
#2 - 2012-02-12 21:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
What is your platform?

I prefer Linux (Ubuntu) for most things but still run Windows 7 on my gaming box. Oh wait... you mean platform as a candidate? I am glad you asked. I am mostly running as a protest vote, but here is my current take on a platform:

Tutorials & Training
Tutorials need to be revised to be more representative of game play. I support the idea of training organizations, or put forth the idea of ISD like instructors as members of the Training Organizations to teach classes, similar to how EVE-UNI has done but without the politics.

On game balance:
End the cycle of nerfing (unless something is extremely out of whack to the point of exploits). Nobody enjoys seeing their efforts be nullified.

Balance by slow and measured buffs, letting warfare and doctrine evolve as the in game balance does.

Make frigates, destroyers and (non-battle) cruisers more of a valid part of the game. Over the years the need for the smaller, more basic ships seems to have eroded. These ships need to be buffed in their ability to avoid being one shotted, and their ability to take down larger ships (at least in packs). Assault frig buff was a good start. Destroyers need more low and mid slots (min two). Balancing to match the non-Minmatars with the Thrasher. New destroyer hulls and roles to give it relevance.

Faction Warfare
Hans and Seleen have made some fascination proposals. I support moving those forward. FW needs attention.

Griefing Wardecs
Probably most controversially, I rather like things about as they are now. Wardec'ing is still basically a valid profession but with decshedding and decshields it is rather difficult to completely drive people from the game. CCP seems to have discovered that if they continue to pin newbie's arms behind their backs and laugh while the older players beat on them, that won't be good in the long run. Bad old pirates/mercenaries and their protection rackets should continue to be a valid part of High Sec, but Concord should be less in collusion than they where in the past.

Rule systems forcing people to stay in a dec'ed Corp is not something I support.

Lo Sec
"What happens in low sec, stays in low sec" is an excellent proposal

Learning Implants, Boosters and Clones
As part of a balanced system, I do not support removing implants, but do agree they cut down on PVP. I support making "PVP" Jump clones more available, with shorter timers, instead of removing the implants (which would be pretty massively disruptive).

Mining
I am interested in proposals that offer making mining more interesting. Visual CAPTCHAs to foil botters. Making asteroids need to be scanned to determine the ores in them or even if they have anything of value.

Industry
My main point at the moment would be to streamline the interface.

Walking In Stations
A lot of potential here that would be a shame to abandon, but it needs not to cut into the core of the game. I would like to see at least a portion of the withheld clothing released for free as part of a good will gesture.

NEX and AUR
Agree that these would probably be best off dying. May not be realistic to expect that to happen. At the very least the prices need to be reasonable, and need to avoid pay to win in eve anymore than it already is.

Null sec and Wormholes
I have limited experiences with these so would probably defer to those who do. But the game needs to be viewed with an open mind for a wider balance than these limited constituencies.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
None ofthe Above
#3 - 2012-02-12 21:12:35 UTC
Reserved for FAQs and Announcements.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Tiger Would
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-02-12 21:17:10 UTC
+1 for you to.

Details differ but we actually have a simular message.

Once you think you have it all, you have actually become ignorant towards everything else.

T. Would
None ofthe Above
#5 - 2012-02-12 22:04:20 UTC
Addenda, a couple of important issues that did not quite make it to the platform level:

Bounties
Arguably the most broken system in need of work in EVE.

I've been reading some excellent proposals of late that head in the right direction. Payouts based on loss of ships, equipment and pods. Needs some work I think to make sure it's not used to grief people out of the game, but very promising.

Smuggling
Perhaps more broken than bounties but of somewhat less critical impact.

My current thoughts lead toward a module similar to a Expanded Cargo hold with a Smuggling skill. Each level reallocating 1 percent of your cargo space to an unscannable (by CONCORD, local police or player) "Smugglers Hold". Hull Upgrades skill as a requirement.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
None ofthe Above
#6 - 2012-02-12 22:58:18 UTC
On the CSM Elections:

At the moment, its a circus which goes a long way towards de-legitimizing the resultant body.

Likes as nominations give the advantage to spammers and trolls, particularly large spamming and trolling entities. Problem being that you can "like" everyone in the race.

I do favor in game voting to minimize the impact of apathy, but advocate the option to obstain, (or vote None ofthe Above!)

Not sure "chairmainship" should be given to the individual with highest votes automatically. One potential alternative is to have the council vote that position after the election.

Recall mechanisms (hard so as to prevent abuse, but there to allow the population to remove someone that turns out to be truly objectionable) and term limits (2 consecutive terms seems reasonable, emeritis CSM could still be considered valued advisors) should be considered.

Generally speaking I'd like to be able to vote on the makeup of the council, not just one individual. Instant run offs (aka transferable votes) or ranking the top candidates would seem to be ways to address this.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
None ofthe Above
#7 - 2012-02-13 00:15:49 UTC
Trying an in game town hall.

Join me @ CSM7 Townhall

See also:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=69277&find=unread

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
None ofthe Above
#8 - 2012-02-13 07:49:36 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Trying an in game town hall.

Join me @ CSM7 Townhall

See also:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=69277&find=unread


Moderately successful. CSM candidates and a Current CSM stopped by. Periods of lively discussion. Not bad for a quiet saturday-night/monday-morning. I think I'll leave it be for now see how it develops.

Perseverance and patience.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#9 - 2012-02-13 10:19:50 UTC
COADArrow

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-02-13 11:46:25 UTC
Tiger Would wrote:
+1 for you to.

Details differ but we actually have a simular message.


Whereas your other alt with completely dissimilar interests and the lack of an official application is designed to convince us you are of course a serious candidate?

Mozes Kriebel wrote:
Tiger Would wrote:
Neko Kuyima wrote:
Zijn het Brusselse wafels of Belgian waffles?

In elk geval, veel geluk met de verkiezingen.


Dank u



Ooops wrong character



So nice to see that the CSM isnt simply just a joke to some. RollBlink
None ofthe Above
#11 - 2012-02-14 04:46:12 UTC
With the abundance of candidates and lack of clamor for a protest vote, my interest in actually running is waning but I am holding off on any decisions on pulling out.

In other good news, Hanz Jaegerblitzen has made the official ballot, and he continues to be one of the most talked about candidates.

I've gotten to know and been impressed with a few additional hopefuls:

Mike Azeriah
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68323
Current CSM: Elise Randolph
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68796

So in the end I really just hope we get the best CSM we can, my inclusion in it is the least of my concerns. I will continue hosting the "CSM7 Townhall" chat channel in game.

Have had some fascinating discussions thus far. Drop by and help discuss how eve can be made better without losing what we love about it (even when that can mean different things to different people).

CSM 7 Townhall:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=69277&find=unread

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
None ofthe Above
#12 - 2012-02-16 22:42:55 UTC
This just in.. the Goons fear None ofthe Above!

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=816395#post816395

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-17 03:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Representation. Reform. Peer-reviewed change. Fun for all. And Rifters! These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they are not nullsec issues — for war and hunger and ignorance and POS bubbles know no alliance barriers.

But because I am a Goon, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured — perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again not the alliance to which I belong — for that should be important only to me — but what kind of Eve I believe in.

I believe in an Eve where the separation of alliance and CSM is absolute, where no Goon prelate would tell the chairman (should he be Goon) how to act, and no fat illiterate Spanish eve news blogger would tell his readers for whom to vote; where no alliance or alliance leader is granted any political preference or Sabre blueprints; and where no man is denied public office merely because his corporation tag differs from the people who might elect him.

I believe in an Eve that is officially neither Goon, pubbie nor nebulous TEST in-betweener; where no CSM representative either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from The Mittani, Eve University or any other insular source; and where no coalition seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its representatives.

For while this year it may be a Goon against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it may be a player from Eve University, Raiden, TEST, or Nulli Secunda. It was the Band of Brothers blueprint scandal, for example, that helped lead to foundation of the CSM. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great change.

Finally, I believe in an Eve where alliance intolerance will someday end; where all players and all organizations are treated as equal; where every man has the same right to join or not join the alliance of his choice; where there is no Goon vote, no anti-Goon vote, no bloc voting of any kind; and where pirates, scammers, mission runners, and spacejews, at both the line member and director level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of Eve in which I believe. And it represents the kind of CSM in which I believe — a great office that must neither be humbled by making it the instrument of a dictator, nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding its occupancy from the members of any one group. I believe in a CSM whose alliance affiliations are their own private affair, neither imposed by them upon the whole of the game, or imposed by the whole of the game upon them as a condition to holding that office.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
None ofthe Above
#14 - 2012-02-17 03:38:28 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Representation. Reform. Peer-reviewed change. Fun for all. And Rifters! These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they are not nullsec issues — for war and hunger and ignorance and POS bubbles know no alliance barriers.

But because I am a Goon, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured — perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again not the alliance to which I belong — for that should be important only to me — but what kind of Eve I believe in.

I believe in an Eve where the separation of alliance and CSM is absolute, where no Goon prelate would tell the chairman (should he be Goon) how to act, and no fat illiterate Spanish eve news blogger would tell his readers for whom to vote; where no alliance or alliance leader is granted any political preference or Sabre blueprints; and where no man is denied public office merely because his corporation tag differs from the people who might elect him.

I believe in an Eve that is officially neither Goon, pubbie nor nebulous TEST in-betweener; where no CSM representative either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from The Mittani, Eve University or any other insular source; and where no coalition seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its representatives.

For while this year it may be a Goon against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it may be a player from Eve University, Raiden, TEST, or Nulli Secunda. It was the Band of Brothers blueprint scandal, for example, that helped lead to foundation of the CSM. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great change.

Finally, I believe in an Eve where alliance intolerance will someday end; where all players and all organizations are treated as equal; where every man has the same right to join or not join the alliance of his choice; where there is no Goon vote, no anti-Goon vote, no bloc voting of any kind; and where pirates, scammers, mission runners, and spacejews, at both the line member and director level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of Eve in which I believe. And it represents the kind of CSM in which I believe — a great office that must neither be humbled by making it the instrument of a dictator, nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding its occupancy from the members of any one group. I believe in a CSM whose alliance affiliations are their own private affair, neither imposed by them upon the whole of the game, or imposed by the whole of the game upon them as a condition to holding that office.


All very nice sentiments, and well spoken.

Get back to me when you have the freedom to vote for yourself instead of your glorious leader.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-02-17 03:48:16 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Representation. Reform. Peer-reviewed change. Fun for all. And Rifters! These are the real issues which should decide this campaign. And they are not nullsec issues — for war and hunger and ignorance and POS bubbles know no alliance barriers.

But because I am a Goon, the real issues in this campaign have been obscured — perhaps deliberately, in some quarters less responsible than this. So it is apparently necessary for me to state once again not the alliance to which I belong — for that should be important only to me — but what kind of Eve I believe in.

I believe in an Eve where the separation of alliance and CSM is absolute, where no Goon prelate would tell the chairman (should he be Goon) how to act, and no fat illiterate Spanish eve news blogger would tell his readers for whom to vote; where no alliance or alliance leader is granted any political preference or Sabre blueprints; and where no man is denied public office merely because his corporation tag differs from the people who might elect him.

I believe in an Eve that is officially neither Goon, pubbie nor nebulous TEST in-betweener; where no CSM representative either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from The Mittani, Eve University or any other insular source; and where no coalition seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its representatives.

For while this year it may be a Goon against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it may be a player from Eve University, Raiden, TEST, or Nulli Secunda. It was the Band of Brothers blueprint scandal, for example, that helped lead to foundation of the CSM. Today I may be the victim, but tomorrow it may be you — until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great change.

Finally, I believe in an Eve where alliance intolerance will someday end; where all players and all organizations are treated as equal; where every man has the same right to join or not join the alliance of his choice; where there is no Goon vote, no anti-Goon vote, no bloc voting of any kind; and where pirates, scammers, mission runners, and spacejews, at both the line member and director level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the ideal of brotherhood.

That is the kind of Eve in which I believe. And it represents the kind of CSM in which I believe — a great office that must neither be humbled by making it the instrument of a dictator, nor tarnished by arbitrarily withholding its occupancy from the members of any one group. I believe in a CSM whose alliance affiliations are their own private affair, neither imposed by them upon the whole of the game, or imposed by the whole of the game upon them as a condition to holding that office.


All very nice sentiments, and well spoken.

Get back to me when you have the freedom to vote for yourself instead of your glorious leader.


I am an official candidate, and I will be voting for me.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
None ofthe Above
#16 - 2012-02-17 04:03:04 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
None ofthe Above wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
...compelling speech obscured by the realities of her allegiance...


All very nice sentiments, and well spoken.

Get back to me when you have the freedom to vote for yourself instead of your glorious leader.



You probably deserve more than a flippant response. Beyond the very telling point that you can't vote for yourself, those very principles you espouse are obscured by Goon trolling and "liking" candidates that ought not be in the race just to water down the opposition candidates.

I actually kinda do like you "space-friend". In spite of the often dubious sincerity of your posts, they are well written, thought proviking and entertaining. I give you credit for that.

I do agree with your point, goons, testies et al are players in this game and every right to be here and play as long as they obey the few rules EVE has. But as this is a PVP game, with goons clearly seeking dominance and the politics of the CSM is used to win (edit: "the meta-game"), these influences must be fought.

The CSM can be much better than it is. You are so right. It does not need to be braying egos beating on its general voterbase to please and entertain its bloc constituents. We can rise above our corporate allegiances.

So Lyris, go back to your fearless leader and demand the right for you and your corp mates to vote as your conscience tells you, and start this process.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
None ofthe Above
#17 - 2012-02-17 04:04:47 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:

I am an official candidate, and I will be voting for me.


Soon to be ex-goon or is that sanctioned?

I am impressed either way. Hope springs eternal.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-02-17 04:53:12 UTC
There is no way for my choice to run in the CSM elections to cause me to become an "ex-goon," since being a goon has nothing to do with being in the space guild GoonWaffe in EVE Online the popular Internet spaceship game produced by CCP, hf. And as it stands I am running, my name is on the official list, and have every intention of going to Iceland.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-02-17 04:54:12 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:

So Lyris, go back to your fearless leader and demand the right for you and your corp mates to vote as your conscience tells you, and start this process.

You vastly overestimate the psychological control one man has over a bunch of neckbeards.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

Reddit: lyris_nairn Skype: lyris.nairn Twitter: @lyris_nairn
None ofthe Above
#20 - 2012-02-17 05:03:26 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
None ofthe Above wrote:

So Lyris, go back to your fearless leader and demand the right for you and your corp mates to vote as your conscience tells you, and start this process.

You vastly overestimate the psychological control one man has over a bunch of neckbeards.


You are right sadly, they probably wouldn't think for themselves even if he told them to.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
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