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So you want T3 Frigates. Please explain.

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Dessau
The Scope
#1 - 2012-02-16 18:24:11 UTC
Let me begin by saying that, as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively, I am not in favor of T3 frigates.

First, there is already a wealth of frigates which can be fit to excel in a number of highly specialized roles. T1s can be fit as throwaway DPS, decoys, boosters, pursuit, tackle, painters, dampers, jammers, and then there are specialized EAFs, Assault Ships, Covert Ops, Stealth Bombers, Interceptors.

What role(s) are you looking for a T3 to fill that existing ships don't already?

Second, assuming for the time being that T3 frigates would use subsystems, frigate models are small. I am having a hard time visualizing a frigate-sized ship with 5 sets of interchangeable, modular hull components that does not look like an absolute mess.

How would you reconcile the T3 frigate visual design with the existing T3 Strat Cruiser designs? Would you take T3 design (either in terms of visuals, game mechanics, or both) in a different direction when it comes to frigates?

For those who back the idea of T3 frigates, I'm interested in hearing your reasoning on the topic. Perhaps they are a good idea and I simply have not seen the light.

Also, posting this in General Discussion like a schmuck so I can get more responses.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#2 - 2012-02-16 18:25:10 UTC
Cause T3 is a higher number than T2

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#3 - 2012-02-16 18:27:15 UTC
T3 = T2 with 3 rigs.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#4 - 2012-02-16 19:09:51 UTC
tech 3 frigates would be much more affordable for the tech 3 experince.

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Jack Traynor
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-02-16 19:19:00 UTC
Because the game needs yet another lolwtfpwnmobile ship to become the Flavor of the Month.

There should be code in the system where for one calendar day only T1 fit noob ships can be flown. 1337 becomes "fail"... :)
Hainnz
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-02-16 19:31:58 UTC
I still use my Hawk, Buzzard, and Manticore quite often, and like going for extended trips to different areas of the map. Would be nice to load up a Blockade runner with just one ship and a handful of modules and subsystems.

That would be my argument in favor of T3 frigates, anyway.
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
#7 - 2012-02-16 19:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Reilly Duvolle
Well, if you look at the cruiser class, when T3s were introduced there already existed a lot of very specialized cruisers. The T3s haven't replaced any of these. A Rapier still have longer webrange than a webbing Loki.

The T3s brings two things to the table:

One, they bring configuration flexibility of course, the ability to swap out subsystems and reconfigure the ships for a diffrent role. What limits this flexibility is rigs - so it is a limited form of flexibility when it boils down to practical use.

Two - and much more importantly - T3s can be configured to be good at several things simultaneously. A webbing loki will have a shorter webrange than a Rapier sure, but it can tank and dish out damage while doing so on a scale never possible with a Rapier.

This is where the T3s shine. Thus, T3 frigates will not replace existing specialized T2 frigs, but they will take different T2 frigate capabilities, scale them down a bit sacrificing some speciality, but combine them into a more awesome package.

T3 cruisers also pick up the warfare link capabilities from commandships, so this could indicate that a T3 frigate sub could be a interdictor capability picked up from the destroyer class.
Hikaru Kuroda
Extheria
#8 - 2012-02-16 19:41:00 UTC
Variety is always a good thing in EVE, and frigates needs a lot of development love.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#9 - 2012-02-16 19:42:36 UTC
Frigates and battleships should have T3 variants, with the T3 ship being capable of doing everything well, but nothing as perfectly as the specialty (T2) ship. I would be fine with that, helps solo gameplay

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Joe Skellington
Sarz'na Khumatari
#10 - 2012-02-16 20:04:16 UTC
Dessau wrote:
Let me begin by saying that, as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively, I am not in favor of T3 frigates.

First, there is already a wealth of frigates which can be fit to excel in a number of highly specialized roles. T1s can be fit as throwaway DPS, decoys, boosters, pursuit, tackle, painters, dampers, jammers


and cynos.

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Sprite Can
#11 - 2012-02-16 20:05:19 UTC
What role did T3 cruisers fill?

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Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-02-16 20:06:06 UTC
I don't want T3 frigates.

CCP should really stop introducing new ships that render old ones redundant.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-16 20:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Planck
Dessau wrote:
Let me begin by saying that, as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively,


lol, really?

Edit: and just to be constructive, one of the major things that i see as a possible awesomeness with t3 frigs is the versitlity that strategic cruisers provide but as something you would fight in more. Frig hulls have a fair amount of versitility, but AF hulls and especially faction hulls have more or less go to fits. You know what kind of fight your getting yourself into before you start.

Now don't get me wrong, a lot of pilots come up with interesting, successful fits to mix things up and keep opponents on their toes. However, with a t3 frig hull this aspect can get vastly opened up considering you can have so many types of fits from the same hull.

Is it necessary to have t3's? of course not. However the ability to change on the fly in a fast, small, powerful boat is something that i personally think wouldn't be a bad option to have around

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Dessau
The Scope
#14 - 2012-02-16 20:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Dessau
Karl Planck wrote:
lol, really?

Well, yes that was an RvB themed roam, but I'm referring more to my hours logged than my pathetic losses.

Thanks for the responses, all.
Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
#15 - 2012-02-16 20:15:40 UTC
I would love a T3 Travel/scout frigate.

T3 subsystems focusing on travel. Real nano, as in, close to a km a sec without weapon systems and very fast warp speeds.

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Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-02-16 20:17:23 UTC
Sprite Can wrote:
What role did T3 cruisers fill?


Making command ships useless perhaps??? Is that a role? IDK. Off grid boosting needs a look at IMO but whatever.


I agree with the OP. Why bring in more ships when we have so many that are useless as it is? Either remove them from the game or make them useful, then after achieving that(yeah right), look at bringing more ships into the game perhaps.

Eve's been around for a long time. We need new stuff to make things exciting or whatever. New ships are good in that respect, but how about if you make a new ship that obsoletes and old ship, take the old ship out of the game as far as NPC orders for bpo's and what not.

You don't see ford still pumping out the model T.

Change can be good, new ships can be good, a bunch of useless clutter can be bad.

Seriously, what good is an imicus, or a condor, and many others?

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Neoexecutor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-02-16 20:17:37 UTC
I want T3 frigs to be in game, because i believe that CCP can figure out those roles you were talking about.
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-02-16 20:18:21 UTC
Dessau wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:
lol, really?

Well, yes that was an RvB themed roam, but I'm referring more to my hours logged than my pathetic losses.

Thanks for the responses, all.


I am laughing at your age and record, not the loss. As someone with zero kills in a frig, and more importantly zero losses, you DO NOT EXCLUSIVELY FLY FRIGS.

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Dessau
The Scope
#19 - 2012-02-16 20:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Dessau
Dessau wrote:
...as someone who flies frigates almost exclusively...

I also have a natural talent for running away from BC gangs, which are the bulk of what I happen to find out there.

Another curious point, can someone who popped me elect not to generate a KM?
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-02-16 20:31:26 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
Dessau wrote:
Karl Planck wrote:
lol, really?

Well, yes that was an RvB themed roam, but I'm referring more to my hours logged than my pathetic losses.

Thanks for the responses, all.


I am laughing at your age and record, not the loss. As someone with zero kills in a frig, and more importantly zero losses, you DO NOT EXCLUSIVELY FLY FRIGS.




Or he just doesnt post to battleclinic.

FC, what do?

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