Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Everyone who attacks a carebear in high/low-sec gets a sec status hit. It only seems reasonable that everyone who helps kill a rat gets a sec status gain.

Fix pls.

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Why? She actually has a brain and a thought process that makes sense. Unlike SOME people...

Poor little pirates can't grind faction as easy as they could yesterday.



Yes...not enough facepalms. This has nothing to do with ones desire to PvP or not. This has to do with piracy as a profession being far too easy. You are a criminal. It should be far more difficult to be successful as a criminal than any other profession, but it isn't. I live in Nullsec and WH space...I PvP on a daily bases between all my characters. You are a fool to assume that I have any aversion to PvP just because I like a mechanic change that positively effects a single aspect of PvP.

CCP. Feel free to make changes to the game as you see fit. It is YOUR game after all. If you can see it in your heart of hearts to fix Lowsec, however, please do so.

I don't hate pirates. There is no hate in my heart for anyone. I'm a carebear. We.... care.

However, this IS about the time you have to spend ratting sec status. I'm not entirely sure I agree with the implimentation as I think it would've been substantially better to merely split the sec status equally between the members of the fleet who's member struck the last blow but it really IS about the amount of time it takes to build your sec status back up.

This ISN'T about it affecting those who have perma -10. They are playing the game. They have decided to be pirates.

This IS about people trying to be law abiding citizens whilst murdering people. It makes sense that it's difficult and time consuming to "prove" that you've turned good.

As for low sec not being policed space please read up on lore. It is. It's just not enforced. Thus the sec status hit for killing people.

I wanted to post something similar.

But you did a far superior job wording it.

+ 1

Maybe CCP should revamp sec grinding completely. Remove sec status gains from NPCs. Add them to the killing of other outlaws with negative sec status at a severely reduced rate. Force lolgankers to kill other lolgankers in lolspace over many months to earn their way back into hi-sec.

I agree with your sentiments, but lets not forget that this is a game - it should be fun, and some people have fun in different ways. While I think it should be difficult to raise your security status, such as removing the option completely from NPC's, I don't think it should be so murderously "un-fun" to drive away that particular playerbase; I like the idea, but not necessarily the time it would take to win yourself back into safe space.

Plus, there should also be other avenues that are less wallet-intensive, otherwise the majority of those players would quickly be poor and driven away... or maybe they would find it fun, who knows. At any rate, there should be a quick, possibly expensive, way, and then a slow, relatively cheap, way to balance it out. Some people just make poor decisions that they will eventually regret or decide was not what they really wanted. They should have a way out without breaking bank.



Yes, I understand, but it makes it take that much longer, which is nothing but a good thing.

As for your idea, please see previous quote.

Lets not forget:

PvP players being :smug: about forcing PvE players to PvP and then critisizing Eve Online (A sandbox game) for having non PvP content.

Complete circlejerk, working as intended.

I thought it was a sandbox game?

I was beaten to the punch. :(

OP here.

Interesting points of view, yet few are responding to one of the key issues. A mechanic change was made by CCP with no information provided to players....and "surprise" is not the way to run things.

As to the impact, yes, being an outlaw should have implications. And there are. While I think the whole security status system should be reviewed, in the current model it takes killing at least 10 if not 15 battleship rats to make up for one player kill, so its already painful/difficult to recover security status.

And finally - if the model for rats is now working as intended where only the player who "laid the final blow" gets the security increase, then it should be exactly the same in PvP kills - only the player who "laid the final blow" takes the large security hit for the kill. If thats the mechanic, fine....but today EVERYONE who is on the kill takes the large security status hit.

So CCP - pick one model or the other please.

Jesus H spacechrist..... i give up after this but did you guys really not read any of the posts from start to end?

SEC RATTING DID NOT GET ANY HARDER FOR THEM EVIL PIRATES
it does not take any longer, the rats still give the same boost, and crimes still take the same amount back.
And 99% of the people do it solo anyways so nothing changes.

so i will not get punished 'more',
i will not have to rat 'more',
it will take me same amount of time it always does
to GET BACK IN HISEC AND START MURDERING PEOPLE UNDER CONCORD'S NOSES





no not really :) Last time a hisec corp wardecced us we tried it for all of 30 minutes or so, that was the only time i did it as a group thing.
thats why i dont understand the OH YEAH PAYBACK SUFFER FOR YOUR CRIMES sperglords going all rabid. in practice this doesnt change the profession one bit


edit: my point is, i appreciate that y'all are so willing to share your views on crime and punishment in EVE in general, but this thread is not about that. This is about a tiny change that ccp implemented without reason that will only frustrate pirates and carebears alike in very rare cases*

Really, i actually agree that crime in hisec is too easy and i remember the days that ganking haulers took more than patience, but that is not the topic here.

*if you run missions with an alt, and you want to get to +5 for whatever reason, this will impact you too!

Important point there.... Some of us. Some people do give a **** about Empire and Low-Sec. Your implication that nullsec is the game is completely ignorant. Nullsec is a large part of the game but sec status has NOTHING to do with it so your argument is somewhat flawed.

As has been stated in MANY other threads where is it you null sec chaps get your vast amount of low end minerals from?? Well, from reading forum posts it sounds like a lot buy them from empire and ship them to nullsec. Thus, high sec miners mine your minerals. Not all minerals come from the drone regions and a lot of non cap stuff is actually produced in Empire.

Security status is not a pointless mechanic. Its a mechanic that people like you who would prefer absolutely no safer areas, in other words the complete nullsecification of the entire of New Eden, would like to get rid of but its unlikely to happen so get over it.