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Wulkans
Doomheim
#141 - 2012-02-15 09:24:59 UTC
For me lately the freezing has been 90% linked to DT. It is always severe right after DT and usually disappears in 20min-2h after DT. Not logging off helps to prevent 8% of the remaining freezings. But its not linked to any action, sometimes you cant even warp out of a system as you get freeze during warp (or just sitting in station).
Lexmana
#142 - 2012-02-15 21:09:59 UTC
Did you know that explorations sites despawn when you warp out? Well that is exactly what happens when your client freeze and you have to force quit. Yeah, I am mad. The least you can do is give us mac users a discount until you have fixed your game.
Tess La'Coil
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#143 - 2012-02-16 05:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tess La'Coil
Wow, it's been a while since I've read the Mac forums.. (been on bootcamp where I have 0 problems)

There is a simple solution folks.. sadly. Which is get a copy of windows and play EVE on bootcamp. Parallels or similar has no point as it drags your machines performance down.. just as cider is doing because its effectively porting EVE Win to your Mac.

If you've had enough of the problems with EVE on Mac... just do yourself a huge favour and install bootcamp.
Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother. 
Wulkans
Doomheim
#144 - 2012-02-16 13:27:16 UTC
Mine non-specialist opinion is that it is something that is related to interaction with server. If the cause is not found, imagine if the freezing issue hits Eve Windows version with the next expansion. HOW MANY subscriptions would be lost then? If you think it just can't happen, spend a little time reading on the Internet about Battlefield 3, which was launched about the same time as Crucible and received massive reports of exactly the same freezings in both PC and console versions.

As the freezing issue is introduced in Eve, I would say that hitting Windows client too is quite possible.
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#145 - 2012-02-16 16:50:19 UTC
Wulkans wrote:
Mine non-specialist opinion is that it is something that is related to interaction with server. If the cause is not found, imagine if the freezing issue hits Eve Windows version with the next expansion. HOW MANY subscriptions would be lost then? If you think it just can't happen, spend a little time reading on the Internet about Battlefield 3, which was launched about the same time as Crucible and received massive reports of exactly the same freezings in both PC and console versions.

As the freezing issue is introduced in Eve, I would say that hitting Windows client too is quite possible.

After generating crash reports through cider, one can not help but to notice the last lines being related to a lost of sync between one thread and the "display" whatever thread / kernel module / driver that thing is.

That is why the character continues to be logged in game, but nothing updates anymore. If you want, there are instructions on how to create those cider logs in this thread, post by a Developer. If not, just look back a few posts and you'll see a post I did with those lines.

It would be very very helpful if more people could do the same to help them narrow down the problem. In my case, I could not map any way to reproduce it, or when it happens. I couldn't even open a petition using the mac client, just trying to do so and I had a screen freeze.

Do what they say, it is incredibly easy, make a bug report and hope for the best.

I'm only sad that by the time of writing this, the bug report I did several days ago on Feb 2nd is still "Not Filtered" nor it has received any updates from CCP so far.

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Tess La'Coil
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#146 - 2012-02-17 05:42:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tess La'Coil
Wulkans wrote:
As the freezing issue is introduced in Eve, I would say that hitting Windows client too is quite possible.


But as you probably already expect.. if this freezing issue was to hit windows... it would be reverted/patched out within about 6-12 hours.

Whereas due to the emulation that goes on in cider; A: it's a lot harder to pinpoint the issue, B: less players on OSX, so less of a concern for CCP I'd think. So.. I took matters into my own hands instead of complaining about the the problem.. (which wasn't being solved) I solved the problems by switching to Bootcamp. And now save myself a daily headache.

I keep trying out the Mac client after a large patch to see what's changed, but due to the game just running a lot smoother under windows I find myself holding the Option key after a restart to select Windows pretty damned fast.

For reference.. on MacOSX.. I cannot walk in CQ without turning graphics all the way down.
On Windows however.. with Max settings, I can run CQ in full graphics smooth as a baby.

OSX isn't the problem, your hardware isn't the problem. Emulating EVE to run on OSX rather than getting a dedicated client is the problem.
Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother. 
Lexmana
#147 - 2012-02-17 07:43:59 UTC
Tess La'Coil wrote:
I solved the problems by switching to Bootcamp. And now save myself a daily headache.


Running windows gives me a headache but I am happy it works for you.
Wulkans
Doomheim
#148 - 2012-02-17 09:06:57 UTC
I do have Bootcamp and I do have Windows, but I find it stupid to own a Mac machine just to log in Windows all the time. I suppose you did not buy yours if you prefer not to use all your OSX software and hardware, such as magic mouse that does not work under Windows, fans that do not work (you are not afraid to fry your mac?), ect.

And most importantly, when I occasionally log in Windows I find there LOTS OF OTHER cool new games to play instead of Eve online.
Tess La'Coil
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#149 - 2012-02-17 11:12:23 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Running windows gives me a headache but I am happy it works for you.

I'm happy too :) and I've found that paracetamol works better to solve the headache when getting a headache operation windows. Than the headache from getting my ships blown up during crashes on OSX :<


Wulkans wrote:
I do have Bootcamp and I do have Windows, but I find it stupid to own a Mac machine just to log in Windows all the time.

I completely agree. It's stupid that we need to do this. But I've accepted I'll just have to do it to actually enjoy playing EVE.
It's not how it should be, but its definitely a "FIX" which shouldn't simply be disregarded because someone doesn't like windows. And thats coming from me who is a terrible apple fanatic.. Roll

Wulkans wrote:
I suppose you did not buy yours if you prefer not to use all your OSX software and hardware, such as magic mouse that does not work under Windows, fans that do not work (you are not afraid to fry your mac?), ect.

I'm not sure why you have this issue, did you install all the drivers from the disk you created during bootcamp setup? I haven'
t tested my magic mouse (I prefer my Razer Naga) but my fans work (increase and decrease) just fine on both my 17" macbook and the 27" imac. If I felt I had a choice I would definitely stay on OSX. I bought a mac because I hate windows and prefer OSX.

Wulkans wrote:
And most importantly, when I occasionally log in Windows I find there LOTS OF OTHER cool new games to play instead of Eve online.

I found myself playing Red Alert 1 a few nights ago >.> 
Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother. 
Lexmana
#150 - 2012-02-20 07:30:50 UTC
Still freezing but nowadays it sometimes freeze so hard that character loggs out. It also seems like crashing to desktop has become more common.
Esmilis99
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#151 - 2012-02-21 15:25:59 UTC
If any devs are reading this, i might have a clue how to narrow it down.

I switched to windows client on parallels, but with the same hardware i see somewhat similar behavior. With the same frequency as mac crashes used to happen, i get these glitches where the client skips ahead about 2 seconds - if you are in warp or moving around, it just paints entire grid as its few seconds later. The difference with windows is, it recovers as soon as that time passes. Its some sort of weird desync to the future.

It might be an issue in original client, not whatever transgaming does when they port it, so maybe if you can find it in windows code, it could give some clues to as why mac client seems to freeze in that situation.
Maorio
Karl XII's Dragoner
#152 - 2012-02-23 22:04:33 UTC
not running a torrent client in the background seemed to clear up my freezing problem I've managed to stay logged on doing various things (missioning, market stuffs, etc) and still going strong after about 2h
Kendo Kanli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#153 - 2012-02-28 00:58:03 UTC
MacBook Pro Early 2011
Intel i5 Processor
8Gb RAM
320 HDD
Intel HD 3000 GPU
OS X Lion 10.7.3

Latest build of Eve Online, what happens to me I run about on a mission, then while warping to a gate or otherwise engaged in combat with pirate npc, my game just actively freezes. By this i mean i can move the mouse and such, but trying to open cargo etc does nothing and my repper and guns act like normal even though the chat tab is frozen in corp chat.
Adrenalinemax
Lap Dancers
Brothers of Tangra
#154 - 2012-02-28 02:21:01 UTC
Say i went off the deep end and wanted to install winblows.

My laptop will NOT install win 7, how can one obtain a legal copy of win XP at this time?
Zotikos Xenon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2012-02-28 19:58:08 UTC
Adrenalinemax wrote:
Say i went off the deep end and wanted to install winblows.

My laptop will NOT install win 7, how can one obtain a legal copy of win XP at this time?


Ebay, Craigslist, Amazon, or anywhere else that sells them. MS still makes and sells XP.
Kendo Kanli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#156 - 2012-03-01 07:48:49 UTC
Freezing myself, all the time, sometimes i can play for a couple hours, other times not even for 15 minutes! This is nutty.
The Frigateer
Doomheim
#157 - 2012-03-02 20:10:56 UTC
Anyone else still experiencing crashes?
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2012-03-04 13:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivana Twinkle
Macbook Air freezing making me have to force close the application and restart eve.
Wulkans
Doomheim
#159 - 2012-03-04 23:36:38 UTC
FREEZE ONLINE - this game is soon getting a new name.
Angela Maya
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#160 - 2012-03-06 02:25:19 UTC
Every time I started Torrent, it freeze.
Mac Pro 2,1
OSX 10.6.8
2 x 3GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
9 GB 667MHz DDR2 FB-DIMM
ATI Radeon HD 5870 1024 MB