Intergalactic Summit

I think you were pretty spot on here. But do you feel that there is a way for the Amarrian government to be able to make these people feel ashamed of owning slaves other than manipulating the words of God?

How can slavery be ungodly when it has brought many billions of Udorians, Ni-Kunni, Ealurians and Minmatars into God's loving embrace?

I think that Minmatar and Amarr relations will be fine in time, after all look at the Ammatar; they have integrated very well into the Empire. Currently there is very little strife in the Ammatar mandate beyond the usual Inter-Empire skirmishes. This nonsense about the Minmatar inability to be self-governed has never been an issue there and is why we are trying to lead all of the nations to God. Surely all people would do well to redeem themselves voluntarily and not force your descendants to serve for generation for your misguided actions.

The proposed argument about forcing the destruction of the soul of those not far from redemption, for some sort of sick and twisted illusion of freedom is foolishness. Leave the Slaves be, within 10 generations as a maximum all the Minmatar slaves would be freed. Criminals will carry on being enslaved and made to work for their redemption, and by this constant aggression by the Minmatar we are being forced to extend the time that Slavery as you claim to hate will continue, as we try to redeem those who have been captured in your incessant raids into our space. As our Holy Empress has said:
And to all who hear my words, I say this; What you give to this Empire I shall give back unto you.

Those who aggress us will pay, those who offer us peace shall have peace, turn to God, redeem yourselves.

((Edited to try and clarify my statements, apologies it has been a tough week at work and I hastily wrote this up and posted it before reviewing it. should really avoid doing this over a rushed lunch in future))

It says something like, "Everything is gonna work out, just look at the Ammatar, and people who don't like slavery are the ones making it take so long."

There is a certain logic in what he says, but the truth is outside of implants, vitoc, etc you probably will never have a situation where everyone just embraces god, and even if they do, what does it matter? I see people who "embrace god" fight each other all the time, so the way I am seeing it, a lasting peace isn't going to result from a Victorious Amarr Empire, merely fighting will shift from proxy wars between states, to proxy wars between nobles.

WHY would these so called "relations" improve?

We of the TRUE Amarr are simply the superior race and the Minmatar are our slaves - it is that simple.
However, do not be fooled thinking it is only the "rugged mixed genepool of a race" who are of the lesser races.

The occasional humorously intended comment aside, I've been trying to avoid this conversation. However it doesn't appear to be going away and at some point, if something doesn't go away then it's simply prudent to acknowledge it.

With the current state of affairs, and the current leadership of each respective empire, I personally do not see how relations between the Amarr and the Matari could improve in any meaningful fashion. A good deal of changes, on both sides, will need to naturally come about for the peace process to have any sort of foundation to be built upon. Those changes are of course going to be, if they even come about at all, difficult for both parties. Those changes have been and continue to be resisted, stifled, and stymied at every official turn. Thus far the only saving grace of the entire situation is that both sides are currently abiding by Concord regulations and keeping the conflict limited in scope, for the most part.

However, despite how dire this whole situation seems to be, and regardless of the fact that by all indications things will get worse before they get better, I hold out hope for one simple reason. Few and far between they might be, but there are capsuleers who rise above the petty and simple hatreds. There are Amarrian capsuleers who respect Matari capsuleers and the reverse is true as well. Further, some take that beyond simple respect and can honestly say they have friends "on the other side" of this convoluted conflict. This fact, plain and insignificant as it might seem, might actually be enough to serve as a catalyst for better relations. After all, we are the latest breed of humanity's social, economic, and military elite.

Perhaps it's time more of us carry the flag to the negotiation table rather than to the battlefield.

If by 'Frontal Assault' you refer to the Elder Fleet invasion, then I will point out that the Republic does not have access to those forces. Neither do the Minmatar that launched the invasion, not after Sarum's 'miracle' wiped a third of it from existence and a good deal of the rest was destroyed by more conventional means.

The Minmatar Republic has the weakest military of the four major powers, while the Amarr Empire has both the largest fleet in the cluster and the military support of the Ammatar Mandate and the Khanid Kingdom (Which, I will point out, is somewhat more advanced than that of the Republic or Federation). While the Minmatar people as a whole were certainly capable of doing some considerable damage once, the idea that the Republic is capable of taking the Amarr States in a straight fight is nothing more than fantasy.

I will say that it would be a hard fight if the Amarr faced both the Gallente and Minmatar, but I wouldn't place a single ISK on the Caldari State sitting idle while the Federation's military was preoccupied with an armed invasion of it's ally. Politics aside, that would be an awfully large target for Heth to pass up.

Jealousy.

Really.

It's not because they invaded our home, attempted to destroy our people, and used Vitoxin to poison us for seven hundred years?

Could've fooled me.

Did I point to the armour/missile combination as proof of the Kingdom's technological advantage? I don't recall doing so. If I were to get into specifics, I would likely put more stress on the fact that the Royal Khanid Navy's ships are kept more up-to-date than the most. This is for the very simple reason, of course, that up until just recently (In the timespan of Holders) it was constantly under the threat of an invasion from the Imperial Fleet. Lacking the materials or personnel necessary to field a large navy (The Ammatar Mandate has slightly more territory and infrastructure than us), the King instead chose to make sure what he had was on the cutting edge of military technology.

It is difficult for capsuleers to remember that factional navies vary in how updated they ,are since we only use the latest versions of each chassis. But just because a pod-equipped Merlin and a pod-equipped Punisher can be compared as vessels of roughly equal value (Subject to personal taste) does not mean that a State Navy Merlin and an Imperial Fleet Punisher can be held side-by side with a straight face.

I agree, you are the Chosen of God. The children of God even. Do you know what properties a child has?

- Ignorance
- Impatience
- Helplessness
- Laziness
- and Unrealistic views on the world

God has realized that you people are worthless and insignificant on your own and because God is kind he has decided to help you out a bit. But like any parent when their children start to get older, the parent gets fed up that the kids are still leeching off of their success and as a result the Empire has been slowly, but surely losing it's ancient glory. It is apparent to anyone who has visited the Empire or are among the lower classes within it but like a child, True Amarr don't understand what is happening and merely think that nothing is wrong.

Your wealth and power? A birthright coupled with the blood sweat and tears of millions of hard working people.

I'll even use my nation's enemies, the Caldari State as an example. While they may have wayward views, their determination, and hard work has brought them up to become one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful nation in all of New Eden. They did the work themselves. I feel that God has chosen people like the Caldari in another, way. As a people that God knows will work hard so he guarantees their success.

God has given the my Federation the ability of free will and reason. The ability to feel and act how we want paired with the ability to think our way though every situation has got us to the position of power and success we enjoy today.

The Republic has been bestowed with cunning and reliability. They have been known to come up with great ways to get a job done and make sure it actually gets done.

And back to the Empire. What has he given them? Luck, to make up for the Empire's inability to act and think on it's own.