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Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-02-15 20:36:38 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Look at the lot of you lambs. Got us a bucket'o'hipsters here all playing a game of grab ass with each other while mimicking each others rehashed phrases. It's pretty damn apparent that non of you know a good news network when you see one. I'm glad that Fox has the team that they do and they have been dead on with Nobama since before he took office. The man has lied to us time and time again and Fox has caught it and exposed it every. single. time.


lol, another one who actually believes in FOX Shocked



You think Fox News is like Santa Claus?
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-02-15 20:45:54 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Jada Maroo wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:

You know, I would love to see a REAL marxist/socialist/whatever president, not a spineless center-right empty suit like Obama. Not because I actually like marxism, but because the tears from people like you would be so beautiful.



If it's tears you like, you're in luck! Marxism is the most efficient system of distributing human misery ever created.

Two problems with that statement:
a) Marxism doesn't exist in the real world. Name one country where the working class has all the power.

b) Capitalism is much more efficient. Look at the British Empire and colonialism. Or the US's history with banana republics. Never underestimate the efficiency of capitalism. Raw capitalism only appears friendly because a capitalistic society needs to keep its own citizens happy. What you don't see is the abuse going on off-shore. Meaning, Wal-Mart prices are great for US citizens if you ignore where the products are made and the working conditions in those countries.



Thank you for that Stoicfaux. I was about to bring up the concept of Banana Republics, but decided that it would fly over the heads of too many people.

But brace yourself, because it is ineveitable that it will be said that the US brought prosperity to the people of those 'nations' Roll


Riedle wrote:
I like Fox News. Nothing wrong with it. They have opinion shows and they always present both sides of the story. They will have panelists from the left and the right.

The biggest problem with Fox news is the morons on the left who are seemingly incapable of differentiating between hard news and commentary. lol.

Why? Because they are used to the old guard media presenting leftward opinion as hard news.

Edit: To the OP:

Typical leftist – wanting to control what others do. Here’s a hint – if you don’t like it, turn the channel.



The highlighted part is just righteous Reidle, considering that the wedge issues that the 'two parties' use to manipulate the 'two sides' of the voting public revolve around the Right and the Left telling people what they can and can not do and what they should and should not do. One would be a fool to think the 'Righ't truly wants to be fiscally conservative and non-invasive

Get over yourself. Both sides want to control you; you just happen to be more in favor of the things the 'Right' want to control.


Slade




Get over myself? In what way?
I never said that anything should be banned nor did I say that the 'right' doesn't infringe on freedoms.

What I did say was that the OP was implying a restriction because it was something that he did not agree with. He was behaving like a typical leftist in that, by in large, do not like dissenting opinions and will demonize people who disagree with them. It becomes a pile on. Leftists despise fox news because the narrative doesn’t fit with their world view. MSNBC and CBC here in Canada typically do not fit my world view but it doesn’t even cross my mind to have access to them restricted.

So if you would care to debate on that then we can but I will not be getting over myself anytime soon, sorry. I quite like myself just the way I am – thanks.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#83 - 2012-02-15 20:57:58 UTC
Riedle wrote:



You think Fox News is like Santa Claus?


Theres about as much truth in both.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#84 - 2012-02-15 21:57:31 UTC
I came here expecting news about fox and left disapointed.

Either way there plenty of documents showing an active political campaign to destroy the network and who would think you acutally NEED money to shut up a news station.

As Huxly feared the most, the truth would be buried in obscurity.

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#85 - 2012-02-15 22:36:17 UTC
Riedle wrote:
Leftists despise fox news because the narrative doesn’t fit with their world view.


No, leftists despise fox news because they outright lie while pretending to be a source of "news". Since many people don't have the time or interest to double-check every single claim they hear on the news, the end result is fox gets to use any dishonest strategy they like to promote a conservative agenda* and gain way more influence than they should legitimately have. Like it or not, freedom of speech was never intended to cover willful fraud and deception, and the only reason fox "news" is still around is because our entire government would never dare to regulate a profitable corporation that gives frequent campaign donations.

Now, if fox news changed to offer news with an honest conservative viewpoint, we'd hate them a lot less. Of course they'd also be a lot less popular...


*Not that the owners of fox news actually care about the conservative agenda, they've just figured out that selling conservative bull**** to gullible morons is a profitable business strategy.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-02-16 00:30:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Riedle
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Riedle wrote:
Leftists despise fox news because the narrative doesn’t fit with their world view.


No, leftists despise fox news because they outright lie while pretending to be a source of "news". Since many people don't have the time or interest to double-check every single claim they hear on the news, the end result is fox gets to use any dishonest strategy they like to promote a conservative agenda* and gain way more influence than they should legitimately have. Like it or not, freedom of speech was never intended to cover willful fraud and deception, and the only reason fox "news" is still around is because our entire government would never dare to regulate a profitable corporation that gives frequent campaign donations.

Now, if fox news changed to offer news with an honest conservative viewpoint, we'd hate them a lot less. Of course they'd also be a lot less popular...


*Not that the owners of fox news actually care about the conservative agenda, they've just figured out that selling conservative bull**** to gullible morons is a profitable business strategy.


got it.

1) fox news peddles lies but no one knows this because no one can be bother to check but you are pretty sure it's correct anyways.lol

2) They cannot be shut up as they are protected under freedom of speach but you think they are perverting the intent of freedom of speach and freedom of speach should be protected so long as you agree with what they are saying... haha
You be trollin right? gotta be

3) The government is afraid to shut them up in anycase because they give a ton of money to politcal campaigns.. LOL

4) People who watch fox news are gullible morons (piece du resistance)

There isn't too much that you know nothing about is there?

lols

PS: Fox news has a larger liberal audience than either CNN or MSNBC - but you know, I can see that reality and you are not on speaking terms so I will leave it be.

toodles
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2012-02-16 00:33:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Riedle wrote:



You think Fox News is like Santa Claus?


Theres about as much truth in both.


I thougnt you only got ABC news over there or are you just parroting the same line people have told you?

thought so.
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#88 - 2012-02-16 00:39:52 UTC
Riedle wrote:
1) fox news peddles lies but no one knows this because no one can be bother to check but you are pretty sure it's correct anyways.lol


Please learn to read. I said that MANY people do not check their facts independently, not that I refuse to. It's unfortunate, but there are a lot of people who trust anything published in the newspaper/stated on tv/etc and don't verify controversial claims with independent sources. Therefore:

1) Fox news has more influence than they would in an ideal world where their entire audience would immediately notice any dishonesty.

and

2) Like all other news sources, fox news needs to be held to a much higher standard than the average person. Unfortunately, this does not happen.

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2) They cannot be shut up as they are protected under freedom of speach but you think they are perverting the intent of freedom of speach and freedom of speach should be protected so long as you agree with what they are saying... haha
You be trollin right? gotta be


Once again, please learn to read.

I said that freedom of speech does not cover deliberate fraud and deception. You can't claim "freedom of speech" when someone sues you for a fraudulent contract, false advertising, etc.

Please do not strawman this into the very different claim, which I have never made, that freedom of speech only covers things that I agree with. There is plenty of room for legitimate disagreement, so long as it is honest disagreement.

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3) The government is afraid to shut them up in anycase because they give a ton of money to politcal campaigns.. LOL


So, what fantasy world do you live in where the US government does NOT give favorable treatment to large corporations in exchange for bribery in all but name?

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4) People who watch fox news are gullible morons (piece du resistance)


No, people who believe in the conservative agenda are gullible morons. Fox news has just figured out that they're a very profitable market to sell to.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#89 - 2012-02-16 00:53:09 UTC
Quote:
Please learn to read. I said that MANY people do not check their facts independently, not that I refuse to. It's unfortunate, but there are a lot of people who trust anything published in the newspaper/stated on tv/etc and don't verify controversial claims with independent sources. Therefore:

1) Fox news has more influence than they would in an ideal world where their entire audience would immediately notice any dishonesty.

and

2) Like all other news sources, fox news needs to be held to a much higher standard than the average person. Unfortunately, this does not happen.


Oh, I see. I was unaware where they had lost their license to broadcast? You do know that they are members in good standing with all the relevant jouralistic and new reporting organizations do you not?

Quote:
Once again, please learn to read.

I said that freedom of speech does not cover deliberate fraud and deception. You can't claim "freedom of speech" when someone sues you for a fraudulent contract, false advertising, etc.

Please do not strawman this into the very different claim, which I have never made, that freedom of speech only covers things that I agree with. There is plenty of room for legitimate disagreement, so long as it is honest disagreement.


Freedom of speech indeed does not protect fox from broadcasting libelous and malicious content - correct! Funny, despite this, they are still on. Why do you suppose that it is so in the most litigious society on earth? lol

Quote:
So, what fantasy world do you live in where the US government does NOT give favorable treatment to large corporations in exchange for bribery in all but name?


Ummmm.. You DO know Obama is a democrat right? You realize conservative = republican most of the time?
lol

Quote:
No, people who believe in the conservative agenda are gullible morons. Fox news has just figured out that they're a very profitable market to sell to.


Ahhh.. I see! So it's not just fox news watchers who are the morons but just anyone who doesn't see things your way politically. Got it! Thanks!
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#90 - 2012-02-16 01:00:34 UTC
Riedle wrote:
Oh, I see. I was unaware where they had lost their license to broadcast? You do know that they are members in good standing with all the relevant jouralistic and new reporting organizations do you not?


I said they SHOULD be regulated, not that they are. Please learn to read.

Quote:
Freedom of speech indeed does not protect fox from broadcasting libelous and malicious content - correct! Funny, despite this, they are still on. Why do you suppose that it is so in the most litigious society on earth? lol


Because they haven't yet crossed the line into open libel and malicious content? No doubt they have plenty of lawyers advising them on exactly what they can legally broadcast without getting into trouble.

However, I'm talking about what is ethically justified, not what is permitted under a legal system which is clearly in favor of large corporations. In case you hadn't noticed, legalism is a pretty terrible ethical system.

Quote:
Ummmm.. You DO know Obama is a democrat right? You realize conservative = republican most of the time?


Hint for the clueless: the president of the US has very little power over this subject.

Also, if you think that the democrats are anti-conservative enough to actually go against corporate interests in any meaningful way, then you clearly haven't been paying any attention to US politics. Remember the part where the current democrat leadership is made up of center-right career politicians who value compromise above all else?

Quote:
Ahhh.. I see! So it's not just fox news watchers who are the morons but just anyone who doesn't see things your way politically. Got it! Thanks!


I'm sorry to give you this unpleasant news, but large parts of the conservative agenda require you to be a complete ****ing idiot to accept them. There are a lot of intelligent people who I don't agree with, but people who believe things like "global warming is a myth" and "abortion is murder" are not included in that group.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2012-02-16 02:17:37 UTC
Quote:
I said they SHOULD be regulated, not that they are. Please learn to read.


umm.. but they are regulated? by law and by the various boards they are members of being a booadcaster.

Quote:
Because they haven't yet crossed the line into open libel and malicious content? No doubt they have plenty of lawyers advising them on exactly what they can legally broadcast without getting into trouble.


Ok, let's take that as true. So what is your issue? You are admitting that they have done nothing to either breach regulations that broadcasters are subject to nor federal laws that they are subject to.
Seems like you are going donw a rather large rabbit hole here when "WAAHHH, I HATE FOX NEWS" would be much more concise.

Quote:
However, I'm talking about what is ethically justified, not what is permitted under a legal system which is clearly in favor of large corporations. In case you hadn't noticed, legalism is a pretty terrible ethical system
.

Not even sure where to start on this one. Boys you sure like to spin a good yarn eh?
They have broken no laws but you think that they are rthically unjustified? According to who's ethics exactly? Yours? Laws, in a common law system (such as they have in the USA) are more or less societies ethical system however imperfectly they accomplish that, that's what common law is all about.


Quote:
Hint for the clueless: the president of the US has very little power over this subject.
Also, if you think that the democrats are anti-conservative enough to actually go against corporate interests in any meaningful way, then you clearly haven't been paying any attention to US politics. Remember the part where the current democrat leadership is made up of center-right career politicians who value compromise above all else?


gotcha, starting to sound like a conspirary. Please regale me with the juicy tidbits.

I see, so the Dems are conservatives too. LOL
Are you a comedian? Am I being trolled?


Quote:
I'm sorry to give you this unpleasant news, but large parts of the conservative agenda require you to be a complete ****ing idiot to accept them. There are a lot of intelligent people who I don't agree with, but people who believe things like "global warming is a myth" and "abortion is murder" are not included in that group.


I see. Well let's take abortion for an example. What parts of it do you believe that should be allowed?
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#92 - 2012-02-16 02:28:19 UTC
Riedle wrote:
umm.. but they are regulated? by law and by the various boards they are members of being a booadcaster.


Fine. Regulated effectively, since you insist on nitpicking.

Quote:
Ok, let's take that as true. So what is your issue? You are admitting that they have done nothing to either breach regulations that broadcasters are subject to nor federal laws that they are subject to.
Seems like you are going donw a rather large rabbit hole here when "WAAHHH, I HATE FOX NEWS" would be much more concise.


My point is that legalism is a worthless ethical system. What fox news does may be legal under a system that is biased in favor of corporations, but it doesn't make it RIGHT.

Quote:
They have broken no laws but you think that they are rthically unjustified? According to who's ethics exactly? Yours? Laws, in a common law system (such as they have in the USA) are more or less societies ethical system however imperfectly they accomplish that, that's what common law is all about.


FFS. Legal =/= ethical.

And if you believe that "common law" means "everything unethical is illegal and punished" and "nobody could possibly want the laws to be changed" you're even dumber than I thought.

Quote:
I see, so the Dems are conservatives too. LOL


On the full scale of political beliefs, the democratics are a center-right party. The only reason they appear to be anything else is that there's no far-left equivalent of the tea party (and similar conservative groups) in the US to compare them to, and far too many people in this country have a habit of pretending the rest of the world doesn't exist.

This is why I want to see a legitimate communist party in the US (from a safe distance), so all of the conservative idiots who whine about "liberal democrats" can see what a real far-left government looks like.

Quote:
I see. Well let's take abortion for an example. What parts of it do you believe that should be allowed?


What parts of what? Abortion, or discussion about abortion?

If it's the former, then any and all abortion before the blob of cells has a functioning brain and consciousness/ability to feel pain/etc (and if you think this happens at conception, you're a ****ing idiot).

If it's the latter, then I don't have a nice simple dividing line, because that was just one example of part of the conservative agenda that only an ignorant moron can believe in. I know you seem to have limited reading comprehension, but it was not something that is directly related to my objection to fox news.
Selinate
#93 - 2012-02-16 06:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Selinate
As a side note, I found this to be funny.

I searched "Fox News comments" in google and the first thing (literally) that came up was this website.

http://foxnewscomments.com/

An entire website devoted to all the absolutely asinine **** that is said in comments by the people who actually watch Fox.

Also, any station that can actually justify giving someone like Glenn Beck (the ACTUAL closest public figure to H!tler that we have had in a good many years), or Sarah Palin (effectively the least intelligent and most self-entitled politician I have ever seen on T.V.) really doesn't even deserve to be watched...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#94 - 2012-02-16 09:18:54 UTC
Riedle wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Riedle wrote:



You think Fox News is like Santa Claus?


Theres about as much truth in both.


I thougnt you only got ABC news over there or are you just parroting the same line people have told you?

thought so.


We can get fox news over here too. Its horrid.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#95 - 2012-02-16 12:29:56 UTC
Riedle wrote:


So if you would care to debate on that then we can but I will not be getting over myself anytime soon, sorry. I quite like myself just the way I am – thanks.


OP Title
[FOX News]

OP

Bootleg Jack wrote:
Is a Republican Super Pac

Send a message, use parental control, block FOX!


Your Edit to your first post.

Riedle wrote:


Edit: To the OP:

Typical leftist – wanting to control what others do. Here’s a hint – if you don’t like it, turn the channel.



It seems that you believe the OP meant a direct and population level block of FOX news, which is totally not what the text implies. It implies that if parents do not want their children to watch something they do not agree with then they should use the parental controls that their technology provides. That is basically what you say with your edit by saying change the channel. Both are censorship.

It again seems that at the first hint of a left/right debate you come in with right/left comments. So you successfully troll me and my centrist self. So the dance continues.

So what are we debating again? Was it about how your reading comprehension may be cloweded by distaste for a group of people that believe differently from you?

/shudders.

Fake Edit:

And I would not block the channel, but Bill O’Reilly would definitely be censored.

Slade
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2012-02-16 13:24:50 UTC


Quote:
What parts of what? Abortion, or discussion about abortion?

If it's the former, then any and all abortion before the blob of cells has a functioning brain and consciousness/ability to feel pain/etc (and if you think this happens at conception, you're a ****ing idiot).



Well ok, let's take this then. Here in Canada you are allowed to terminate the pregnancy up to the moment of birth. Do you think that should be allowed in the context of your own ethics?
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2012-02-16 13:27:31 UTC
Quote:
It seems that you believe the OP meant a direct and population level block of FOX news, which is totally not what the text implies. It implies that if parents do not want their children to watch something they do not agree with then they should use the parental controls that their technology provides. That is basically what you say with your edit by saying change the channel. Both are censorship.

It again seems that at the first hint of a left/right debate you come in with right/left comments. So you successfully troll me and my centrist self. So the dance continues.

So what are we debating again? Was it about how your reading comprehension may be cloweded by distaste for a group of people that believe differently from you?

/shudders.

Fake Edit:

And I would not block the channel, but Bill O’Reilly would definitely be censored.

Slade


Perhaps I jumped the gun a bit but from my perspective leftist who hate fox news do tend to have a fantasy of not allowing it to broadcast and to me the OP was along those lines by wanting people to block out the channel by using parental control. I have no idea what you are talking about in referring to my edit. Whatever edit I did was immediately after I posted the reply and was probably for a typo.

I consider myself a centrist as well for whatever that's worth
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#98 - 2012-02-16 15:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Bootleg Jack
Riedle wrote:
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Riedle wrote:
Leftists despise fox news because the narrative doesn’t fit with their world view.


No, leftists despise fox news because they outright lie while pretending to be a source of "news". Since many people don't have the time or interest to double-check every single claim they hear on the news, the end result is fox gets to use any dishonest strategy they like to promote a conservative agenda* and gain way more influence than they should legitimately have. Like it or not, freedom of speech was never intended to cover willful fraud and deception, and the only reason fox "news" is still around is because our entire government would never dare to regulate a profitable corporation that gives frequent campaign donations.

Now, if fox news changed to offer news with an honest conservative viewpoint, we'd hate them a lot less. Of course they'd also be a lot less popular...


*Not that the owners of fox news actually care about the conservative agenda, they've just figured out that selling conservative bull**** to gullible morons is a profitable business strategy.


got it.

1) fox news peddles lies but no one knows this because no one can be bother to check but you are pretty sure it's correct anyways.lol

2) They cannot be shut up as they are protected under freedom of speach but you think they are perverting the intent of freedom of speach and freedom of speach should be protected so long as you agree with what they are saying... haha
You be trollin right? gotta be

3) The government is afraid to shut them up in anycase because they give a ton of money to politcal campaigns.. LOL

4) People who watch fox news are gullible morons (piece du resistance)

There isn't too much that you know nothing about is there?

lols

PS: Fox news has a larger liberal audience than either CNN or MSNBC - but you know, I can see that reality and you are not on speaking terms so I will leave it be.

toodles


Did you hear the one about last years Super Bowl?

Announcer 1: FOX is covering the Super Bowl this year...
Announcer 2: Which Team?

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#99 - 2012-02-16 15:24:13 UTC
Riedle wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Look at the lot of you lambs. Got us a bucket'o'hipsters here all playing a game of grab ass with each other while mimicking each others rehashed phrases. It's pretty damn apparent that non of you know a good news network when you see one. I'm glad that Fox has the team that they do and they have been dead on with Nobama since before he took office. The man has lied to us time and time again and Fox has caught it and exposed it every. single. time.


lol, another one who actually believes in FOX Shocked



You think Fox News is like Santa Claus?


ha ha

I'm an American, english is my second language.

"lol, another one who actually believes FOX"

Better? Roll

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Adunh Slavy
#100 - 2012-02-16 16:41:28 UTC
*eating pop corn, watching sheep fight the manufactured left-right divide while the authoritarians do what they want and the libertarians shout ... *

WAKE THE F UP!

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt