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K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-02-14 04:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Eshtir
*removed Bot name*-ISD Eshtir

in other news, new botter just killed 2month old player with random keyboard mash name in a CNraven.
this botter was forwarded to us by another player, who just earned 55mil in finders fee.
thanks for the find. -> http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15249808
Skorpynekomimi
#42 - 2012-02-14 12:23:07 UTC
I applaud any attempt to remove RMT and bots from mission hubs.
Also, false positives? Highsec isn't 'safe'. It never pretended to be 'safe'. Mission runners need to be shaken out of their grind for a bit.
Grind missions for ISK, spend ISK on PLEX and shiny ships, all to run more missions... It's too much like a job by my thinking.

Economic PVP
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-02-14 12:28:13 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
I applaud any attempt to remove RMT and bots from mission hubs.
Also, false positives? Highsec isn't 'safe'. It never pretended to be 'safe'. Mission runners need to be shaken out of their grind for a bit.
Grind missions for ISK, spend ISK on PLEX and shiny ships, all to run more missions... It's too much like a job by my thinking.


i still think they are too safe.

the ones we kill are just the really dumb ones, most we go after avoid it easily, it's getting a bit tiresome really... would be nice if ccp could change the system a bit.
Aine Ni
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-02-14 13:55:57 UTC
If you got some Names and Locations of Bots that will not bid - PM me, and I will pass the info on to someone who will not care about Concord Pirate
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-02-14 14:12:01 UTC
sent!
let me know how you/your friend goes.
Daphny Naarma
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-02-14 15:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Daphny Naarma
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:
...

Nothing about *typical* macros or bot-scripts "facilitate[s] acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

...

Ofc this can be interpreted in different ways, but to give the flip side of that coin: considering you don't get anything when not using the mouse or keyboard, not playing + botting does indeed give you stuffs at an accelerated rate. If getting hang up on the "compared to ordinary Game play", which I do agree is not very well worded, then you could just as well compare ordinary play as being a few hours/day compared to 23/7, and we still have an "accelerated rate".

Yeah, semantics, I know. CCP could word it a bit better, but even at present form, everyone would understand what it means. I do appreciate people taking the devil's advocate role as well - having an opinion and objectively assessing something doesn't always amass to the same conclusion. /bow

To the one complaining about OPs logic and the 'check list' back a page or two - the only stupid part of that reasoning was to assume OP (or anyone, for that matter), judging anyone as a bot, from any one of the 'points'. Obviously he'd condense info from several of them and draw a conslusion from that. Not just "the player has a Tengu". I really hope you didn't believe that yourself.

Straight on topic: yes. Kill them. Kill them all. If I see a potential botter, I'll ring the bell on it.
ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#47 - 2012-02-15 10:55:28 UTC
Hi,

i have cleaned this thread. Please do not link, name or otherwise give out Bot programms on the forums.

ISD Eshtir

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons

Interstellar Services Department
Izziee
University of Izziee
#48 - 2012-02-15 11:31:44 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners.


Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player?

And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)?


it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P

as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though.
1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks).
2. hours they spend online, sometimes i see them online no matter what time i log in to check, no human can mission run for <23hrs straight.
3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern.
4. ship names, corp names, player names etc. pay close attention to these details. for example, the corp the macherial pilot was in had about 5 members each member except the ceo all running in macherials with nearly the exact same fit for hours on end and each ship was REnamed to the first word in the players name + macherial i.e. 'angus macherial' this was a clue that they are all the same player separate accounts.
5. this is an odd one and i havnt yet figured out exactly what is going on here but... they sometimes will have shield maintenance bots out, and then sometimes said bot will be abandoned (i think). our best guess is if drones take damage then the program can release a maintenance bot to keep it alive, since you need that set of drones for up to 23 hours.
6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot.
7. some players are just called akjshas in akjshas corporation with corp description of 'enter a description of your corporation here' (as in, random mash names with no effort put into corp). unfortunately these one man corps are a waste of time so far, probably bots but maybe just farmers, and they scare too easily.

macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.



This isn't true at all, I always decline convos, especially if I'm in a mission. Unless it's someone I know.
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-02-15 11:44:44 UTC
Izziee wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners.


Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player?

And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)?


it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P

as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though.
1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks).
2. hours they spend online, sometimes i see them online no matter what time i log in to check, no human can mission run for <23hrs straight.
3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern.
4. ship names, corp names, player names etc. pay close attention to these details. for example, the corp the macherial pilot was in had about 5 members each member except the ceo all running in macherials with nearly the exact same fit for hours on end and each ship was REnamed to the first word in the players name + macherial i.e. 'angus macherial' this was a clue that they are all the same player separate accounts.
5. this is an odd one and i havnt yet figured out exactly what is going on here but... they sometimes will have shield maintenance bots out, and then sometimes said bot will be abandoned (i think). our best guess is if drones take damage then the program can release a maintenance bot to keep it alive, since you need that set of drones for up to 23 hours.
6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot.
7. some players are just called akjshas in akjshas corporation with corp description of 'enter a description of your corporation here' (as in, random mash names with no effort put into corp). unfortunately these one man corps are a waste of time so far, probably bots but maybe just farmers, and they scare too easily.

macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.



This isn't true at all, I always decline convos, especially if I'm in a mission. Unless it's someone I know.


so what you're trying to say is that because YOU decline convos NONE of the above could possibly be true in identifying bots... is that right?
Izziee
University of Izziee
#50 - 2012-02-15 13:27:23 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
Izziee wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
The hardest part about this job is seeking out the macro'ers and sorting them from the genuine hard working mission runners.


Out of sheer curiosity, how can you tell bot from genuine player?

And how do you kill them without being Concorded (assuming you avoided this fate, as loosing Legion pro publico bono seems too charitable to be true)?


it is a trick we use, very simple really just one key thing that seems to make it work but i'm not going to disclose it. more of a psychological thing than anything else. definitely not going to get my 1.5bil legion concordonked lol :P

as far as telling who is a bot, that is really hard, i have spent hours watching the mission hubs. there are a few key things i have discovered though.
1. ship type, mostly they will be in CN ravens, golems, macherials or tengu's. my guess is this is because of range, cap and shield boosting (can get crystals for huge tanks).
2. hours they spend online, sometimes i see them online no matter what time i log in to check, no human can mission run for <23hrs straight.
3. consistent pattern, they dock for exactly the same length of time at the same station every time, no pauses or breaks in their pattern.
4. ship names, corp names, player names etc. pay close attention to these details. for example, the corp the macherial pilot was in had about 5 members each member except the ceo all running in macherials with nearly the exact same fit for hours on end and each ship was REnamed to the first word in the players name + macherial i.e. 'angus macherial' this was a clue that they are all the same player separate accounts.
5. this is an odd one and i havnt yet figured out exactly what is going on here but... they sometimes will have shield maintenance bots out, and then sometimes said bot will be abandoned (i think). our best guess is if drones take damage then the program can release a maintenance bot to keep it alive, since you need that set of drones for up to 23 hours.
6. invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot.
7. some players are just called akjshas in akjshas corporation with corp description of 'enter a description of your corporation here' (as in, random mash names with no effort put into corp). unfortunately these one man corps are a waste of time so far, probably bots but maybe just farmers, and they scare too easily.

macro programs can be set up as complex as the player wants, they can even change ship get in a noctis go salvage then get a new mission < i'm not 100% on this it seems unrealistic but im surprised at what the bots can do anyway.



This isn't true at all, I always decline convos, especially if I'm in a mission. Unless it's someone I know.


so what you're trying to say is that because YOU decline convos NONE of the above could possibly be true in identifying bots... is that right?


This is what YOU said.

"invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot."

So no, it's not true. Since I am not a bot and I decline them.
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-02-15 13:38:35 UTC
Izziee wrote:


This is what YOU said.

"invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot."

So no, it's not true. Since I am not a bot and I decline them.


see the word 'probably'? probably means that no answer to convo is indicative of a bot not definitive. these are meant to be clues not conclusions... did this REALLY need to be explained?
Izziee
University of Izziee
#52 - 2012-02-15 13:57:26 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
Izziee wrote:


This is what YOU said.

"invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot."

So no, it's not true. Since I am not a bot and I decline them.


see the word 'probably'? probably means that no answer to convo is indicative of a bot not definitive. these are meant to be clues not conclusions... did this REALLY need to be explained?


You are making assumptions that anyone who doesn't answer a convo, is a bot. Probably means that it is "likely" to be a bot, that one presumes that it is a bot. This, as I've told you, along with many others. Is not the case. The word you are looking for is "could be" or "might be". You might be a bot. Or, should I say you are probably a bot?

I didn't read the replies at first and I was going to say I am not the exception to EvE, now I have read the replies, it's clear as day that I am not the exception, so in that regards, it is NOT probable that they are bots at all.

I have absolutely nothing against anyone ganking a bot, but the fact you try to tarnish regular people with nothing but mere assumptions says that your original post isn't even close to being on the mark.
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-02-15 14:09:32 UTC
Izziee wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
Izziee wrote:


This is what YOU said.

"invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot."

So no, it's not true. Since I am not a bot and I decline them.


see the word 'probably'? probably means that no answer to convo is indicative of a bot not definitive. these are meant to be clues not conclusions... did this REALLY need to be explained?


You are making assumptions that anyone who doesn't answer a convo, is a bot. Probably means that it is "likely" to be a bot, that one presumes that it is a bot. This, as I've told you, along with many others. Is not the case. The word you are looking for is "could be" or "might be". You might be a bot. Or, should I say you are probably a bot?

I didn't read the replies at first and I was going to say I am not the exception to EvE, now I have read the replies, it's clear as day that I am not the exception, so in that regards, it is NOT probable that they are bots at all.

I have absolutely nothing against anyone ganking a bot, but the fact you try to tarnish regular people with nothing but mere assumptions says that your original post isn't even close to being on the mark.


If you're representative in any way of "regular people" or the carebear community then I am very happy to have tarnished you, I guess I just can't help but make carebears mad, it just happens even by accident. What is it about mission grinding that makes you so uptight? After so many years of griefing little bears like yourself I try to give something back but this is the thanks I get? All you do is whinge and whine, just shut the **** up and play the game ffs LOL.
What-ever you say it doesn't matter it has already pre-emptively buffed out in advance, please excuse me while I roll around in the billions of isk I made from shiny carebear drops whilst supping on your mad tears.
Izziee
University of Izziee
#54 - 2012-02-15 14:15:28 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
Izziee wrote:
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
Izziee wrote:


This is what YOU said.

"invite to conversation while they are in mission, if in mission not afk and SHOULD accept convo. if not accepted or auto rejected probably a bot."

So no, it's not true. Since I am not a bot and I decline them.


see the word 'probably'? probably means that no answer to convo is indicative of a bot not definitive. these are meant to be clues not conclusions... did this REALLY need to be explained?


You are making assumptions that anyone who doesn't answer a convo, is a bot. Probably means that it is "likely" to be a bot, that one presumes that it is a bot. This, as I've told you, along with many others. Is not the case. The word you are looking for is "could be" or "might be". You might be a bot. Or, should I say you are probably a bot?

I didn't read the replies at first and I was going to say I am not the exception to EvE, now I have read the replies, it's clear as day that I am not the exception, so in that regards, it is NOT probable that they are bots at all.

I have absolutely nothing against anyone ganking a bot, but the fact you try to tarnish regular people with nothing but mere assumptions says that your original post isn't even close to being on the mark.


If you're representative in any way of "regular people" or the carebear community then I am very happy to have tarnished you, I guess I just can't help but make carebears mad, it just happens even by accident. What is it about mission grinding that makes you so uptight? After so many years of griefing little bears like yourself I try to give something back but this is the thanks I get? All you do is whinge and whine, just shut the **** up and play the game ffs LOL.
What-ever you say it doesn't matter it has already pre-emptively buffed out in advance, please excuse me while I roll around in the billions of isk I made from shiny carebear drops whilst supping on your mad tears.



You're trying WAY too hard. It looks rather pathetic when someone tries to shout "U MAD BRO" at someone who isn't even in the slightest. It just looks like a desperate attempt to change the subject because they realise they can't counter the original one. It's also rather amusing you try to assume someones genres in trying to make an argument. I'm not a carebare nor a griefer, nor a miner, nor a trader. I'll do what I feel like doing at the time, and have nothing against anyone playing their game how they wish.

It's also more amusing that I'm apparently whinging because I've proven you wrong. Actually , the fact that your original post was proven wrong with it's laughable assumptions, you then continue to provide more....assumptions, which in every case, is wrong. I'd say, if anyone were to be mad BRO, dat be you.
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-02-15 14:18:18 UTC
I didn't start this thread to argue with anyone and especially with someone like yourself.

So, whatever you just said, you win, congratulations +1 internets to you. Moving on.
Izziee
University of Izziee
#56 - 2012-02-15 14:26:56 UTC
K1RTH G3RS3N wrote:
I didn't start this thread to argue with anyone and especially with someone like yourself.

So, whatever you just said, you win, congratulations +1 internets to you. Moving on.



Probably the most sensible thing you've said. I would have supported your endeavours if you had chosen a different tone, hell, I would have given you bots for free if I actually knew of any, but since I don't, I can't. I am a solo player, for good reason which has absolutely nothing to do with the game itself but rather to the fact I have liver disease, I will get tired easily and rather not abandon players I am with so I get on with things myself. My point was you can't make assumptions of 40,000 people playing because they don't answer you.
Hambonie
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-02-16 07:48:10 UTC
Just curious why your kills are not API verified. As being a mission runner and a pvp'er I'm a little skeptical of your kills

"Soldiers don't die, they just go to hell to regroup"

-Im a anti anti pirate with a carebear side-
K1RTH G3RS3N
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-02-16 08:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: K1RTH G3RS3N
Hambonie wrote:
Just curious why your kills are not API verified. As being a mission runner and a pvp'er I'm a little skeptical of your kills


im not sure, it should be api feeding, it has been playing up lately and only SOMETIMES feeding kills. re-added my api.
you can go to http://hill.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12441569 to see the latest one that IS api verified but not api verified on battleclinic.
thanks for pointing that out
*edit* or that link can be broken too. if you right click it it works but if you left click it and click ok it goes to nothing LOL. or just go to hill.killmail.org Roll
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