Ships & Modules

You said metagame...

it's like 1 year i say hull tank should be revamped in a way to boost gallente.

remove the speed penalties to bulkheads, add a targeting range penalty maybe blaster boat dont need alot of lock range. (rp reason they reduce the electronics on board for more hp).
adjust the fitting requirements, since they require a bit too much cpu to be fitted properly.
buff theyr HP bonus properly so they can achieve a comparable buffer to armor and shield tanking ships w/o rigs (or add hull tanking trimark).
reduce the hull repair cost

in this way all the hull tanking ship get an overall 10-15% (depending on skills) over the armor tanked ship (plates + trimarks) and some agility benefits too

gallente ships are the only one that would benefit about this change since are the one with the biggest hull hp to start with and bulkheads work via +% and they still get the ability to be proper armor tanking ship if the situation require so.
basically its not a nerf or a change to anything we already have but just 1 more option.

the only change i see it could be done but probably would **** someone is to change some repair bonus to a + hull hp bonus but i know alot of people that like theyr triple rep myrm or dual rep hype but on ships like the brutix i would love a bonus like that more than a tracking bonus

Duel Rep Myrms + command links + Logi = win

Well another problem commun to all armor fits: dmg mods ARE low slots
In most cases except some Navy versions or ships with exceptional slots layout like Cane, those mid slots let you improvise some shield fittings and so have enough low slot sto bring your ship's DPS and range operation to something really better.

In fact take 2 lows to mega and put them in mids you have a shield blaster dps beast.
Ad 1 mid to Hyperion take away that rep bonus, ad +10% falloff per level and -10% dmg to overheated AB/MWD, you get a hell of a shield blaster ship no one on his right mind would engage lightly (witch was his purpose in the first place instead of the joke it is)

Many examples clearly show that +mids = shield improve your ship, either dps either mobility or both and this is so important that even making sacrifices with tank (c'mon shield proteus?) your ship will be better than fitted fir what he was designed for.

We can't say the design is bad, it's just that the game evolved since then, full races have added bonuses tweaks of several natures etc and that together makes gallente once again not bad, but the last prefered choice.

So the question for designers and dev's should be about keeping gallente light armor tanke -witch imho should continue- but then think about +low slots for dmf/fitting mods or give more mids and make dmg mods mid/low slots.
There's still a lot of work to do around ships themselves and I'm afraid nothing that will be asked by players will ever be donne correctly (hello small hybrids?) so my guess is that take it or leave it but we're about to get omgfpwn hulls or just crushed dreams untill next revamp around 2055.

Eh, do what you want with the Gallente boats, but leave my poor Cyclone alone. If anything it forces people to learn how to active shield tank.

Minmatar already has a variety of ships that clearly tank either shield, armor, or can do both, I don't see why they need "more versatility"

Minmatar needs buffing. I wish for +1 mid slot and +2 low slots across the board on every Minmatar sub-capital. I also think that every Minmatar should have an extra bonus for +10% velocity and +10% agility per skill level (tech 2 ships should receive this bonus from both skills). It's only fair, we had to endure thousands of years in slavery and most of our ships looks like rustbuckets!

On topic, I did wonder why Gallente are armour tanks the way they are, since they most of the time can't compete with Amarr in armour tanking, and since half of Gallente's weapon systems rely on being consistently close to people and on the move. It's the exact same reason I wouldn't want build a speed tank with high signature or poor agility, since it ruins the reason to have them in the first place. I'm wondering if the Gallente blasterboats with bonuses to active armour repairing should exchange that bonus with a slight increase in agility and speed per skill level, though that would make them more akin to the Minmatar school of thought than I think the lore can support.

The only problem I can see with gallente active armor tanks right now is the armor rig velocity penalty. Otherwise it works just fine. Gallente/Minmatar are never going to match the buffers of Amarr/Caldari, and they shouldn't. Just like Amarr/Caldari can't keep up with Gallente/Minmatar when it comes to small gangs and skirmish tactics. If you like really big slugfests then you're definitely better off switching to Amarr/Caldari. If you like fights that are over quickly (hit and run style) then you're just fine with Gallente, or Minmatar.

To reiterate, because it's kind of important, the armor rig max velocity penalty needs to be changed, but that's it. Right now, the only real way Gallente fleets can make up for the velocity penalty is through judicious use of sensor damps while they close range, and that shouldn't be necessary, however helpful. It's also a very iffy tactic, because it assumes that once you're up to speed you'll be able to catch your enemy.

Active armor tank ships could have a reduction in both armor rep amount and cap usage, but I don't see Myrm and Hype overly problematic. Brutix needs a resist bonus, rep bonus with those base stats and low slots is just utter fail.

In general shield & armor tanks need to balanced, currently you can get nearly equal shield tank with no drawbacks, but with more speed and applied damage.

1) Damage control should have separate armor version (no shield resist boost, low slot) and shield version (no armor resist bonus, mid slot)

2) A new active midslot damage module, a Damage Computer, with higher fitting reqs but scriptable for raw damage or RoF (?), meaning also higher bonuses than a single lowslot damage mod

3) Plates are not balanced against extenders. Compare 1600 RRT with Large F-S9, plate uses 500/28 compared to 150/34, while giving 4200HP vs 2250HP. Plates add enough mass to make it a real drawback, extenders not enough sig.

Yeah, replace the repping bonus of the Brutix with something else. No need for two BCs of the same race to have the same active repping bonus. Gallente ought to have at least ONE fleet BC available.

Brutix is a good rail boat, tbh. Does excellent dps.