Jita Park Speakers Corner

Its all good, I stand by those that can think for themselves and not get all emotional because someone upset the apple cart. You're a good egg, so I got your back.

The others naysayers are just scrubs. Just sayin'.

Haha.

The only data we have on % of players in nullsec vs highsec is character-based. As it stands, 67% of characters with SP>5m are located in highsec. However, using a character based metric is misleading; most if not all players keep multiple characters in highsec regardless of where they play. I'm sure CCP has a number linked to accounts or even credit cards with a better picture of population breakdown.

Given that the last 6 months they've been running around trying to put out fires and appease the non-highsec crowd, and given that both faction warfare and sov-warfare are two major tasks on their to-do list I think it's pretty clear just how the population is actually broken down.

But please continue running around thinking that CCP is just willfully neglecting their supposedly largest revenue driver.

CONFRIMIGN ALL YOU LIKES IN PAOST NEED VOTIGN FUR ME.

ALSO HEAR: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12443&find=unread


ALSO DOWN WITH MITANI

Have spent a couple of days now poring over the CSM election process, readings everybody's thoughts,views. This post about getting rid of CSM who in game scams and plays darkly. The posters main complaint is that the player elected to a CSM position gets a flag on their charachter portrait that says "CSM", which she believes to be a badge of honor and rerspect. She believes the player wearing the badge is using it to lure unsuspecting players into a scam. The simple answer is remove the flag from a players portrait. What possible purpose does it serve?

To be honest irrespective of a democratic process afforded to the CSM I personally believe that Punktani is offfering no respect to principles of what democracy actually means. Nor is he in anyway fullfilling the outlined obligations as set out in the CSM guidelines. His very selfish interest reflects this of which he is farily transparent about. I would not confuse this with honesty about a stance however, just that he is manipulating and working a certain stance for his own ends.

And then we get the ridiculous claims that he is soley responsible in driving CCP development from his "bar bill".

He also supports gaming stances that are clearly against CCP guidelines (e.g. griefing, Botting for his own alliance).

He also prefers to apply his own juvenille use of expletives (some disfavouring disadvantaged groups) in communication with others and generally shows little respect to other players or their interests when in conflict with his own.

He works for a lack of transparency on issues and affords him self the lack of accountability in his position.

And somehow CCP sees it as fitting to retain this individual as an "ambassador" for the game.

Other than having an alliance capable of getting the votes, there are really no admirable qualities. His continual self acclaimed ego confusing "manipulation" with real leadership qualities is just hilarious in my view and shows a lack of understanding towards real social empowerment.

As such to some extent I do wonder why CCP affords to put up with this influence, as for me it reflects badly on them that they entertain some of the stupid behavoural aspects when representing EvE as a council member.

I have also thought that it might be due to the fact that CCP don't want the drama that could be engulfed on the community if they did take steps to correct this influence. Interestingly I'm unsure what the outcome would be from that, and to some extent I would suspect the income from Goons is still very relevant to them. Should CCP take the view to remove him I would not see it as a dismissal of "freedom of expression" as the Mittani gives no respect to the meaning of this unless it coincides with his own stance. So personally if a ceratin portion of the community is offending the game principles then It might be more healthy in the long run to remove it.

To be honest if the head of the Goons were to be "lanced" like a boil from the face of EvE politics I would imagine there might be uproar for a short term, but I'd imagine a number of the Goons and affliates would still continue to play and press for a similar candidate to further the stupidity. So ultimatley it would be ineffective if the behavoural aspects are not corrected. As a result it might be be a case of "better the devil you know" and trying to accomodate.

There is of course one useful way to remove unwanted interests from the Council. Encourage voting in alternative candidacies and try to remove apathy and ignorance. How you would in any way do this within the Goon community is a different matter. But I think if you want to achieve something you have to work towards it in a number of different platforms. And simply don't give up due to intolerance or predjudice.

I think Little Brat makes a very good point here. Personally, I think that there are pros and cons for both retaining it and for removing it.

My feeling is that the CSM tag is good from the point of view that it makes members of the CSM identifiable to all other players. If I get voted in, (which would be a great honour) then I would want to be identifiably accessible to the maximum number of players so that I can act as a conduit for their views. I also realise that by being readily identifiable in this way, other players have an absolute right to expect, from me, or for that matter any representative of the CSM, the highest and most ethical in game and RL behaviour.

If a member of the CSM tacitly supports, either publicly or covertly, behaviour or gaming stances that are against CCP guidelines there should be some kind of proper response to this and ultimately this should include, for serious abuse of office immediate removal from office.

You're right that this may be a likely scenario due to the amount of support that he has, however what you can do is support and vote for independent candidates like myself who are committed to behaving with integrity.

Ultimately the power is truly in our own hands on this one. If the collective of players wants a better CSM we just have to support better candidates.

Anybody Nobody but Mittani!

The CSM are here to represent the playerbase to CCP, not CCP to the playerbase.

Actually that argument is just equatting similary to what Punktani does in game as player to what he does when operating in the capacity of a council member. As such I think you are simply misconstruing that Mu'ad is talking about his political integrity as a Council member.

Also if that were the case that RL stances and ethics where not attributable why then the slander campaign against other CSM candidates and their personal life. Wether or not those influences are perceived to be heatlhy, In principal your argument excuses them from that kind of accountability.

This thread still lives? And all because one person won't drop it I see.

At this point there is only one obvious reason for it.

He Mad