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Hulk 0.5 Mining Profitable?
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Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#1 - 2012-02-16 04:25:38 UTC
Been a while since I played eve and getting back on my feet one the first big investments I made was buy a hulk. I know you need to keep them out in the higher populated sectors but I was wondering what they were like outside that say in 0.5 Sectors and is it worth what you can get if you want a break from Agent missions?

Also I don't have a hauler but if I recall the hulk actually had a decent cargo size so if I stationed near a station it be a lot faster back and forth?

Thanks for any tips. Pretty much the objective is save mining from players and suggested to avoid any NPC Confrontations.
Vito Tattaglia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-02-16 04:30:32 UTC
Hulk Mining is profitable anywhere. The Hulk has a cargo hold of 8000m^3 with no hull expansions. Even with Veldspar, that's still worth about 800k in these markets. Go into a 0.5 system and you could make about 1 million every full cargo hold.
Kate Lockwell
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#3 - 2012-02-16 04:31:03 UTC
concord comes a lot slower in the lower hisec systems and the 'better' ore isn't always that great.
Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#4 - 2012-02-16 04:34:24 UTC
Kate Lockwell wrote:
concord comes a lot slower in the lower hisec systems and the 'better' ore isn't always that great.

Thanks for the info about concord being a bit slower. My worry is people tell me that Hulks are worth like 10mil + in profit and they do it a lot so I been told. I was just a bit worried and I don't know much about how many really safe systems there are but even today was in a system with about 20 in it and I heard something about trolling or something to a player with a hulk in a asteroid belt.

God little worrisome when now you have to worry about players beating the crap out of you in safe space.
Kate Lockwell
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#5 - 2012-02-16 04:38:39 UTC
Kane Hart wrote:
Kate Lockwell wrote:
concord comes a lot slower in the lower hisec systems and the 'better' ore isn't always that great.

Thanks for the info about concord being a bit slower. My worry is people tell me that Hulks are worth like 10mil + in profit and they do it a lot so I been told. I was just a bit worried and I don't know much about how many really safe systems there are but even today was in a system with about 20 in it and I heard something about trolling or something to a player with a hulk in a asteroid belt.

God little worrisome when now you have to worry about players beating the crap out of you in safe space.


nowhere is safe ;)
Kane Hart
Sanitized Souls
#6 - 2012-02-16 04:41:20 UTC
Kate Lockwell wrote:
Kane Hart wrote:
Kate Lockwell wrote:
concord comes a lot slower in the lower hisec systems and the 'better' ore isn't always that great.

Thanks for the info about concord being a bit slower. My worry is people tell me that Hulks are worth like 10mil + in profit and they do it a lot so I been told. I was just a bit worried and I don't know much about how many really safe systems there are but even today was in a system with about 20 in it and I heard something about trolling or something to a player with a hulk in a asteroid belt.

God little worrisome when now you have to worry about players beating the crap out of you in safe space.


nowhere is safe ;)

Very different then what I recall from a long long time ago hehe.

Well if you guys have any suggestions and ideas that be wonderful. But I will just try take my chances.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#7 - 2012-02-16 05:44:48 UTC
Kane Hart wrote:
Kate Lockwell wrote:
Kane Hart wrote:
Kate Lockwell wrote:
concord comes a lot slower in the lower hisec systems and the 'better' ore isn't always that great.

Thanks for the info about concord being a bit slower. My worry is people tell me that Hulks are worth like 10mil + in profit and they do it a lot so I been told. I was just a bit worried and I don't know much about how many really safe systems there are but even today was in a system with about 20 in it and I heard something about trolling or something to a player with a hulk in a asteroid belt.

God little worrisome when now you have to worry about players beating the crap out of you in safe space.


nowhere is safe ;)

Very different then what I recall from a long long time ago hehe.

Well if you guys have any suggestions and ideas that be wonderful. But I will just try take my chances.


You *might* be a bit safer if can run missions, quite a few missions have asteroids in them, but they can be a pain to mine. I ran recon 1/3 yesterday and ended up with something like 6mil veldspar but it's not easy mining, lots and lots of little roids so lasers were offlining loads, but for the time I spent, got 19+mil trit so wasn't a bad haul. Yet again I was mining with 4 hulks, 1 orca bonus, and 1 orca hauling so it didn't take that long.

Have a look at http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MiningInMissions to give an idea.
Tikera Tissant
#8 - 2012-02-16 07:00:02 UTC
Kane Hart wrote:
Kate Lockwell wrote:
concord comes a lot slower in the lower hisec systems and the 'better' ore isn't always that great.

Thanks for the info about concord being a bit slower. My worry is people tell me that Hulks are worth like 10mil + in profit and they do it a lot so I been told. I was just a bit worried and I don't know much about how many really safe systems there are but even today was in a system with about 20 in it and I heard something about trolling or something to a player with a hulk in a asteroid belt.

God little worrisome when now you have to worry about players beating the crap out of you in safe space.


Hulk can net about 10m isk per hour solo with almost max skils and mining the correct ore.

Safety really depends on the system you are in.
A system with lots of people, especially in 0.5, is a large target area for ganks.
For solo work you will net the same amount of ore in a quiet 0.8 as you will get in a busy 0.5.
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#9 - 2012-02-16 14:01:54 UTC
I don't always mine, but when I do, I mine in a tanked Hulk.

From a profit standpoint, it probably does not make sense, if you consider the cost of the occasional gank vs. the lost mining efficiency (or the possibility that your tanked hulk will be ganked anyway); however, I mine to relax a bit and chat with corp mates, not necessarily to optimize income per minute.

Anyway, consider a DCU and maybe even consider rigs other than cargo expanders (maybe shield extenders - go for buffer, no regen). Forgoing a mining upgrade allows you to put in a pretty nice tank in you mids. It will not likely save you from the dedicated ganker, but will protect you from a significant number of the gankers out there. Also, you might want to train and deploy ECM drones if you see suspicious characters around. Jamming a ganker before they can get off a second volley can be priceless Smile
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-02-16 14:27:55 UTC
my best mining time was in a high-sec system where i mined only veldspar. i searched for a quiet system, far from traffic, and i could easily jetcan mine, noone bothered me ever.
Nina Lowel
Echelon Research
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-02-16 16:49:27 UTC
You can make 14mil an hour mining veld these days in an unboosted Hulk. Either way, still not worth it since you can easily make 140mil an hour doing incursions. 1 Vanguard every 30 minutes (which is absolutely HORRIBLY slow) nets you more then mining most ore.

If you're looking to make money, do some missions and just start buying minerals off market, building the ships, and then selling the ships. You can do that and mission and make far far more money then mining. Mining will never be worth it until CCP does something about mission loot refining and gets a handle on macro'ers, which will never happen, because they don't care enough (if they did they would higher enough people dedicated to finding and getting rid of them, which they don't, because to them it's not really that big of an issue).
Alain Kinsella
#12 - 2012-02-16 17:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alain Kinsella
Salcon Cliff wrote:
I don't always mine, but when I do, I mine in a tanked Hulk.

From a profit standpoint, it probably does not make sense, if you consider the cost of the occasional gank vs. the lost mining efficiency (or the possibility that your tanked hulk will be ganked anyway); however, I mine to relax a bit and chat with corp mates, not necessarily to optimize income per minute.

Anyway, consider a DCU and maybe even consider rigs other than cargo expanders (maybe shield extenders - go for buffer, no regen). Forgoing a mining upgrade allows you to put in a pretty nice tank in you mids. It will not likely save you from the dedicated ganker, but will protect you from a significant number of the gankers out there. Also, you might want to train and deploy ECM drones if you see suspicious characters around. Jamming a ganker before they can get off a second volley can be priceless Smile


You had to mention the suggestion about extender rigs. *sigh* So brought up the fit I normally use for group Ice mining (fleet only) and buffed it to about 23.5K EHP. Warning, below fit requires small CPU implant (or drop the SPR2). Liked the idea of the EC drones, great suggestion for an Ice fit (where I can't deploy Mining II drones anyway).

Note I've been in a mining ship maybe twice over the past year. Roll As already mentioned, missions have been better overall income when you have access to them. Hell, I'm making much better profit on planets (per weekly batch).


[Hulk, Paranoia]

3x Ice Harvester II

2x Small Shield Extender II
2x Invulnerability Field II

Shield Power Relay II
Damage Control II

2x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

5x Hornet EC-300

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Currently Retired / Semi-Casual (pending changes to RL concerns).
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#13 - 2012-02-16 17:23:32 UTC
Rough estimates (for a level V skilled miner, without external boosts or implants, including T2 mining drones):

Max-yield hulk (9.8k EHP) is about 107k m3/hr
A hulk that swaps out a MLU2 for a DC2, Invuln2, shield ext rigs (22k EHP) gets about 103k m3/hr
A paranoid fit hulk (DC2, RB2, 27k EHP) is about 97k m3/hr

Orca boost gives 40-65% per hour (including Mining Foreman V or the Mining Director mindlink).
Aurette
962348 Corporation
#14 - 2012-02-17 12:02:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurette
As other poster have already made the point ISK/minute from mining is not the best income in the game, but when you are in the mood for it, or if you really want too...

Systems with many other miners = bad bad bad. There is a pack for suicide gankers to attempt multiple kills on, and lots of targets.

The paranoid approach for a solo hulk:

1) Not all cargo expanders, partially tank it, there are plenty of well tanked hulk fits on Battleclinic. Google if you need a link.
2) Find a system with no more than a couple of others in local space.
3) Go to battleclinic kill boards and look for recent kills in that system:
QuestionIf there are none, then GREAT you have new home.
QuestionIf there are hulk kills, add the killers to your watch list.
4) Align on your "stockpile" station, or something that won't have you bumping a rock if you try to warp.
5) Watch local, d-scan, watch for warp ins.
Attention Anyone new that shows up in system.. check for them in killboards, see who they hunt and kill with if they are on the killboards with hulks
6) Flip into a can if you must and once the can is full and your hulk is full, off to the station, pick up the can with an industrial you have on hand then come back in the hulk. Name your can something like Asteroid (Veldspar). Book mark it.
7) Get bookmarks well into belts away from the default warp in points.

If you have ORCA skilled alt account: paranoid tank the hulk, as cargo space does not matter now.
8) Empty your hulk into that Orca whenever someone warps in. If they target you store in the Orca. You can not store if you have ore in the hulk
9) In the case of a paranoid tanked hulk, the belt rats won't hurt you fast so go for some drones that will stuff up tracking on anyone that attacks you. The Orca can have a few drones to kill rats if need be.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2012-02-17 14:49:23 UTC
Kate Lockwell wrote:

nowhere is safe ;)


You're much less likely to get suicide ganked mining in 0.0 or a hisec gravimentric belt. P

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