Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Drone Destroyer a better name :(

also less lag muraderize the drones instead.

Cant choose to not render numbers being sent to and from client involving hp numbers and damage between the two. This is server lag we're talking about not client fps problems.

Wait, I just noticed something, did you mean to say marauder-ize, as in make the drones significantly tougher?

Ok, how would you suggest modifying them, assuming you wanted to give 5 the same impact and damage dealing ability as 10.

Keep in mind, defensively these drones need to be at least twice as tough, as targeting them is being downgraded as an obstacle here. (With 10, you are unlikely to fight ships even capable of targeting all the attacking drones at once)

Genius.

THAT sounds like a fantastic modification...

Thank you Danika and Nova, for this idea!

I left some slots incapable of mounting turrets on the idea it would be useful for support, remote reppers makes perfect sense on that level too!

The current dronebay is fitted to hold 20 of the small scout drones, space which came from the cargo hold.

Opinion time! Should the bonus be extended to medium drones too? The ship will definitely be interesting offensively then, although it's defense will still require a cautious touch I think.
Would it make sense to give logistic bonuses to drones? (Jamming drones and shield / armor repper drones)

The ship's stated targeting range is 45km.

Would reducing this to 30km fix this issue you described?

( I def don't want an OP ship, although I am surprised you suggested a T1 cruiser would become obsolete. )
(I would expect a T2 to outclass any ship below it's own size class by default, matching the class above's T1 being more of a grey area depending on circumstance)

Sensor boosters and rigs can easily get around the limited targeting range of your ship. In fact, I've made some lol-fits with my Ishkur using sebos and rigs... and it's quite stupid how far out I can start a fight. However, this alone isn't the reason it's OP.

It is the fact that your ship can deal a significant amount of pain (close to 200 DPS) at ranges considered "long" by frigate and cruiser standards without needing to gimp the overall fitting/survivability of the ship itself... that is what makes it OP (again, have you ever wondered why the Myrmidon possesses one less fitting slot compared to it's tier counterparts? It's to compensate for the sheer versatility and relative independence that that drones give. The same applies to the Vexor, Ishtar, and Dominix as well).

If you drop the damage bonus for something else (I'm thinking a drone tracking or speed increase) I might be more receptive to your idea.

I can see that damage output concerns you here.
Do you believe reducing the number of turret hardpoints, or just plain high slots, balance this? I can accept the ship itself having trivial to no direct damage, just purely drone based.
Being specialized that way fits the vision.
Sebos will have limited benefit on this boat, beyond a lol-fit, as it only has 2 midslots.
Also for prior consideration would be reducing available rig slots.

I am happy with the concept that to make it an offensive monster, they have to leave it with a vulnerable tank. The drones are useless if the carrier pops, so making the prime target easy to kill for an opponent should work out if they try that tactic.

My goal is not to create a ship here where drones are useful, or even simply important, but utterly dependent on the drones.

The original image of a ship with ten small drones has been supplanted with five small drones with the damage output of ten still.
The five small drone version is less capable since for every drone killed loses 20% of damage output, not just the previous 10%.
In addition, many ships will counter target all five drones automatically, where much fewer ships could even target ten targets at all. This makes fighting the drone swarm far less complicated, if not easier altogether.

The drone bonus issue is pretty clear if you just look at the other small/medium drone carriers.

Using existing ships as a reference the proper drone bonus for this ship would be +10% to drone damage and HP per level of Micro-carrier.

The limit to a flight of small drones keeps this balanced against the cruiser class drone carriers and it is reasonable and expected that a T2 Assault Destroyer would be more potent than an AF of similar role (Ishkur in this case) and leaves it less potent than it's HAC counterpart (Ishtar) by a significant margin.

I can see adjusting it accordingly, but keep in mind the only secondary role I am offering it is logistic.

Ships like the curse have extremely effective draining abilities in addition to their drones. It should take a T2 cruiser or better to beat one of these hands down, the same way T2 overshadows a T1 elsewhere.

A T2 AF should own a T1 destroyer, absolutely. But the T2 destroyer should own it. Same principle I feel.

Dear Clueless Ally,

Ship Piloting is a skill you don't put in your skill queue. Its something you, as a player, develop over time.
Just because a ship is 'T2' or 'T1' doesn't make it an automatic win/lose ship. Batlleships can be killed by Frigates.
Assault Frigates can be killed by Rifters, Interceptors can be killed by Titans (lolwtf?!).

No ship in this game should ever be implemented with the sheer principle in making the lazy dolt behind the
keyboard instantly effective at anything.

Stop being so dense, don't you have an invasion to be participating in?







(How the **** do you scrublords have blue standings with the CFC posting this drivel?)