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Dedicated Gas Cloud Harvesting ships -- Can it please be more than a pipe dream?

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Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-02-13 10:37:17 UTC
This is what is considered the optimal gas harvester

[Moa, gas miner]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Prototype Cloaking Device I



Hornet EC-300 x3
Twisted Trucker
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-02-13 11:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Twisted Trucker
Kiroma Halandri wrote:
How about we just change the Noctis to get bonuses for archaeology, hacking, and gas harvesting in addition to salvaging. Sure, it might become overpowered, prices might soar, but it would eliminate the need for adding yet more ships to the game. Personally, I think the game is starting to have too many ships, but that is just personal opinion.

Also, it would need a way to fit Gas Harvesters without needing Turret Hardpoints. For example:

-1 Turret Hardpoint Requirement for Gas Harvesters (or something like that).

TL:DR I just don't see the point in making a seperate ship for each mini-profession.


Well, there is the Procurer that is bonused specifically for Mercoxit mining, and THAT is quite a dedicated "mini-profession".

But anyways, yeah, give the Noctis bonuses for hacking and archaeology since salvaging is also part of "exploration" sites. But NO, not mining too (of any flavor), give THAT to the Primae, since it is supposed to be a "resource harvester" for PI (although you're not actually doin the harvesting part with it).

So go ahead and get a lil more milage out of a "relatively useless" hull (since most use T1 industrials for doin PI anyways, or blockade runners in low-sec) and let the Primae actually be used for "resource harvesting" and give it "some" bonuses in gas mining. IDC what bonuses you give it, just give it SOMETHING to make the ship more usefull, so that it will actually get used signifficantly!

And before you ask, no, I don't have a Primae BPO....

Ya know, I actually did see someone flyin a Primae in my noob system the other day, and he was actually doin PI with it, cause he thought that ship was the only ship for just doin PI (which it is for that) and bought it for that. But I didn't have the heart to tell him he could actully be doin PI better with just his hauler. But hell, maybe he just likes actually flying around in a Primae doin his PI, IDK.....
Waylan Yutani
SkyLark Insurgency
#23 - 2012-02-14 18:32:04 UTC
If you need to operate in hostile waters. Its not unprobable (i think) but somewhat harder to probe down than your regular cruiser. If you use the talon implant set, people will need to probe your site down instead of your cruiser :-)

[Moa, gas]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

ECCM - Gravimetric II
ECCM - Gravimetric II
ECCM - Gravimetric II
ECCM - Gravimetric II

Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
[empty high slot]

Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Crucitus
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-02-15 00:49:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Crucitus
Guys, while I appreciate the suggestions for fits and whatnot, this isn't a swap-meet for harvesting fittings.

Seriously, who do I have to give an under-the-table handy to to get CCP's attention?
seany1212
Drunkendis Order
#25 - 2012-02-15 01:46:47 UTC
Crucitus wrote:
Guys, while I appreciate the suggestions for fits and whatnot, this isn't a swap-meet for harvesting fittings.

Seriously, who do I have to give an under-the-table handy to to get CCP's attention?


You have to make intelligent suggestions rather than poorly thought out ones.

If you even looked into gas harvesting you'd know that a decent skilled gang booster with a mining ganglink on a standard BC can drop cycle times on T2 harvesters from 40 seconds down to around 29.5 seconds, added in the implants and as you said your shaving another 2 seconds off, that's fast enough considering any more would start to affect the gas market. The fact you didn't even know ganglinks go hand in hand with BC's tells me there's a lot you need to learn over trying to bend CCP to your will Roll
Twisted Trucker
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-02-15 14:15:57 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Crucitus wrote:
Guys, while I appreciate the suggestions for fits and whatnot, this isn't a swap-meet for harvesting fittings.

Seriously, who do I have to give an under-the-table handy to to get CCP's attention?


You have to make intelligent suggestions rather than poorly thought out ones.

If you even looked into gas harvesting you'd know that a decent skilled gang booster with a mining ganglink on a standard BC can drop cycle times on T2 harvesters from 40 seconds down to around 29.5 seconds, added in the implants and as you said your shaving another 2 seconds off, that's fast enough considering any more would start to affect the gas market. The fact you didn't even know ganglinks go hand in hand with BC's tells me there's a lot you need to learn over trying to bend CCP to your will Roll


The problem is, the setup you're talking about is NOT noob friendly, and requires some ADVANCED skilling (and quite a bit more isk) to even get to, whereas the Noctis/Primae are VERY noob friendly (skills wise, but maybe not isk wise, but not as pricey as your solution).
Jenshae Chiroptera
#27 - 2012-02-15 18:22:31 UTC
This is one of the commonly proposed ideas as per the sticky at the top of the forum.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

naed21
Iron Knights
#28 - 2012-02-15 18:25:18 UTC
Actually, there already is a dedicated gas harvesting.

Ever wonder why CCP gave the tengu a turret subsystem? Well there's obviously no real reason why anyone would put guns on it, so what they intended you to do is slap 5 t2 harvesters on it and then grab an interdiction nullifier and then you slap warp stabs in the lows. Aka, you can warp out of bubbles and points.

And thanks to the tengu's fitting capabilities, you can use your mid slots to put an impressive buffer tank and a micro!
seany1212
Drunkendis Order
#29 - 2012-02-15 18:36:03 UTC
naed21 wrote:
Actually, there already is a dedicated gas harvesting.

Ever wonder why CCP gave the tengu a turret subsystem? Well there's obviously no real reason why anyone would put guns on it, so what they intended you to do is slap 5 t2 harvesters on it and then grab an interdiction nullifier and then you slap warp stabs in the lows. Aka, you can warp out of bubbles and points.

And thanks to the tengu's fitting capabilities, you can use your mid slots to put an impressive buffer tank and a micro!


THIS, gas harvesting should not be NOOB friendly, instrumental cores pull in around 500-600mill a site, solo it can take 3 or so hours, that is a balanced amount of time considering the risk of you sitting in that cloud versus reward. Considering the ships you need just to clear the sites of rats/sleepers in the first place you should not be complaining that it takes "ADVANCED SKILLING" in order to drastically reduce cycle times with the methods currently available.
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#30 - 2012-02-15 23:15:48 UTC
You keep asking for "noob friendly" fits or methods... last i checked the gas in highsec isnt worth mining and neither WH space or nullsec is what I would consider "noob friendly". a BC is hardly difficult to skill up for, and only 1 character in the whole fleet needs to have ganglink skills to help out. Considering how much isk we can make out here in our wh with gas i am glad it isnt noob friendly, theres already enough isk faucets giving tons of noobs free isk(incursions)

The reason that there arent rigs or modules that help gas harvesting is because of the numbers. A T2 harvester pulls in 20m3, and C320 is 5m3 each. In order to increase its m3 enough to matter we would need a full 25% increase just to get 1 extra unit of gas. and C540 would need a 50% increase.. that being said the bonuses you suggested are relatively useless as only levels 4 and 5 would even amount to an extra C320 or C540.

If you really want to see some sort of change in the ease or ability to harvest gas you would need substantially larger base yields, or much larger %s, and at the end of the day i dont think we really need anything new to harvest gas, a BC works fine.

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