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Hulkageddon has started. Actually more than "an" Hulkageddon.
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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-02-15 16:34:45 UTC
the first (and the last) question is: how long can this hulkageddon last?

Yes. Goons kill miners for like some months already. But "unlimited duration"??? Do you think suicide ganking can be fun enough to do it for real long time? Maybe old goons will leave and new ones join party.... But i'm pretty sure after some time all this "geddon" will loose its size.

Other option can be: suicide ganking bot Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Skorpynekomimi
#62 - 2012-02-15 16:36:03 UTC
- I am not a bot. Just thought I'd get it out of the way first. Disregard the goggles; they do nothing anyway.

- Meh, I don't mine in caldari space anyway.

- Highsec isn't as safe as people make it out to be anyway. Nothing stops you being ganked, it just stops you being ganked SO EASILY.

- I'm seriously reconsidering whether I want to keep flying that damn hulk. It's expensive and spends a lot of time docked because I don't have 250mil kicking around spare to replace it. Or 75mil to insure it. Seriously tempted to just switch to covetors instead.

- Suicide ganking, you say? Okay, I'll bite. I'll pick up some blueprints over the weekend, and see if I can't cut a profit off this.
- - Suicide ganking OF EXHUMERS, you say? Would you mind abandoning the wrecks before creating more of them? T2 salvage, the ore and ice from their holds, your concord-ed gankfits...
- - - Duck it. Even if you DO turn me into a cloud of vapour for ninja salvaging your wrecks, it'll probably be worth it for the stuff I do manage to yank. Have fun distinguishing my gscs of loot from their ore/ice cans.

- I may get in on some of this ganking myself. Too many miners around, too much competition.

Economic PVP
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2012-02-15 16:38:00 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one.
That's their problem and they have no-one else to blame when they get ganked.
Quote:
So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead.
Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-02-15 16:40:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
.......Or they could admit that they are worthless people who should just sod off and have a few freak boating accidents instead.



I like you.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-02-15 16:48:22 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jafit wrote:
It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.

As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.

Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction.


I was going to like you post till I finished reading it.

Every single online game has bots, bar none.


So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#66 - 2012-02-15 16:53:47 UTC
Jafit wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jafit wrote:
It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.

As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.

Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction.


I was going to like you post till I finished reading it.

Every single online game has bots, bar none.


So, are you saying that because other MMOs have bots that we should just accept our boring repetitive gameplay and the bots that come with it? If so your opinion is invalid.

I think he is saying your premise is false as non repetitive games have bots.


And yes, probing can be botted. Or so the bot sellers say. I don't plan on trying any to find out.
Valei Khurelem
#67 - 2012-02-15 16:59:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Quote:
t's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something.


For crying out loud, I've done PI before and I got more bored of it than mining, it isn't passive, in fact I would say it's actually MORE tedious and boring than mining is, in mining once you stop, you've said to the game, no I'm going to log now, but with PI it's awful. It wouldn't be so bad if you could automate every process but with PI you have to set up your extractor and transfer each material you're manufacturing to your basic factory and that takes 2 - 3 minutes each time. Worse still you can't increase the quantity you transfer because the factory only takes 10 units each time so you have to log in each time while you wait for the factory to repeat the whole process again. You can't queue the process or automate it.

CCP seem dead set on keeping this game an unnecessary and tedious click fest, how long did it take for them to put a jump button in the overview panel that let actual players warp to 0 and immediately jump through a stargate? Several Years? I'm not sticking around again this time to wait and see them do something new or try to fix the problems in this game.

I've subscribed to this game every now and then I can tell you and the progress I have seen from CCP is like watching european countries fix their economies, no one wants to do anything and they're desperately trying to shift the blame from person to person because they want everything to stay the same, when really the only people they can blame is themselves for ******* everything up.

I say put your money with the small independent developers folks, they'll actually try and keep you as customers because they need the business.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Skorpynekomimi
#68 - 2012-02-15 17:09:24 UTC
Also.
It won't last.
The ice interdiction didn't last.
People get bored and want to go back to shooting things that actually fight back.
No funding is unlimited.
Sov bills have to be paid.

So, it's not 'will it last'. It's 'how long will it last', and 'will the motivation or the ISK or the targets run out first'.

Economic PVP
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#69 - 2012-02-15 17:15:42 UTC
Is it that time already?

Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest.

As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied...

So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market.

Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run.

Mr Epeen Cool
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-02-15 17:57:00 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Is it that time already?

Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest.

As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied...

So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market.

Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run.

Mr Epeen Cool



hahaha look at this nerd
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#71 - 2012-02-15 18:04:58 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Cajunspitfire wrote:
Death to all the strippers, er bots. It is obvious that there will be more botters due to the requirements from fuel cells. The prices have risen a lot over the past month and that wasn't due to Goonageddon. It was heading that way long before this. I sit in my ice belt and watch not two but three ice bots mining for 23/7 without recourse. How is it they get away with it. Good on the Goons and that sexy voice Mittens. Maybe he can bring balance to the force.

Vote Mittani for CSM . He has cookies


Although I welcome any kind of carnage because it makes me as a trader profit - have you ever considered that most of the miners mine afk and are thus sitting ducks for gankers while bots are quite clever nowadays and know when to GTFO?
I fear your campaign will kill off all the human miners and will let only the bots survive.
Not that I would care... just a thought...



You're asking for sympathy for people who play EVE so badly that they can't outfly a bot script?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-02-15 18:13:29 UTC
Highsec Publords still sperging about the 'Ice Interdiction' that ended in December... whatever is left, is just for funsies.

Some Pubbie wrote:
People get bored and want to go back to shooting things that actually fight back


Actually it was used to make a few billion ISK, because we could.
Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-02-15 18:20:41 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Is it that time already?

Guess I better blow the dust of my miner and pull him out of mothballs for another fun filled ganker cryfest.

As for the little bee earlier jackin off over denial of a Titan's worth of minerals denied...

So what? That's prolly less than 1% of the minerals mined in a day in EVE. Christ you people can be dumb. Nothing will put a dent in the mineral market.

Sure, gank some newbs. Have your little circle jerk about it in C&P. But don't pretend it's going to make one bit of difference in the long run.

Mr Epeen Cool


no really just look at it hahahaha
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2012-02-15 18:33:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


You're asking for sympathy for people who play EVE so badly that they can't outfly a bot script?


No, I am not asking for sympathy for them. I have none myself.
I just wanted to remind people that their masterplan of "reducing bot population" might terribly backfire. But I guess those people have put me on ignore already, so don't mind me....just babbling incoherently.....
....

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Te'bral
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-02-15 18:39:55 UTC
Khan Farshatok wrote:
first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D

if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D

love, horses and ponies
khan



Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"?

i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot....

I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-02-15 18:44:31 UTC
Te'bral wrote:


Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"?

i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot....

I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing.


GET OUT GREY FACE!
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-02-15 18:48:44 UTC
The whole idea of HG has been effectively crapped on by you-know-who. It's nothing more than just another corp ganking miners now.

Good job.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#78 - 2012-02-15 18:51:33 UTC
Te'bral wrote:
Khan Farshatok wrote:
first as the initiator and main "organizer" of what is going on, let me be blunt. this is in no way shape or form any sort of hulkaggedon. this is quite simply me being bored and my corp joining in for the lol's. as for us not being in it for the tears, you really dont know goons :D

if for some reason though you heppened to be popped, podded and laughed at during our little run of tear gathering, then please feel free to fill out our "im not a bot" reimbursement form. because we really only wanted to kill da bots. :D

love, horses and ponies
khan



Please excuse my ignorance, but what are people considering "bots"?

i see on your form, it asks to explain why you are not a bot....

I am sure there are more people wondering the same thing.


You tell us.
Something Random
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2012-02-15 18:54:27 UTC
To the OP.

Its awesome. Its like being at war but not being war decced. In fact its like 0.0 except the aggressors lose the ship by proxy.

Now if you mine you gotta watch local, you gotta know local, you gotta watch for local spikes and the denizens that made it spike.

You gotta be ready to go.

You gotts be ready.



This, every sentence of it, IS GOOD Big smile

"caught on fire a little bit, just a little."

"Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangs all here!"

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#80 - 2012-02-15 19:00:10 UTC
I doubt this will curb bot use. The people running the bots will relocate them if it becomes a problem. Not even goonswarm has the muscle to put pressure on every ice field at once. That said, welcome to Caldari space. Maybe I'll see you in Kamio. If so, it should be amusing.

Also, Mittens needs to arrange for the ganking of mission bots. The ships and potential loot can be much more valuable and he's previously stated that he considers it to be a larger source of inflation than incursions. I fully support any effort to close off the isk faucet.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.