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Hulkageddon has started. Actually more than "an" Hulkageddon.
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Razzor Death
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-02-15 13:53:21 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Also, sitting there, pressing a button over and over again is the most demented way of expecting someone to "play" a game. Roll


you high sec guys say the funniest of things
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#42 - 2012-02-15 14:02:23 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
How do you feel about this?
It's good because there is nothing bad about it.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-02-15 14:09:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
Tippia wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
How do you feel about this?
It's good because there is nothing bad about it.




Ok, what did you do with the real Tippia?


You used to be really active on the forums, now you just seem to be taking a bit of a back-seat.


These days your views are one sided in general to what they used to be (not necessarily this post but in general), or at least it seems that way.



Tippia was not sold to the Goons as a PR instrument was she?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#44 - 2012-02-15 14:16:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Jafit wrote:
It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.

As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.

Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction.


I was going to like you post till I finished reading it.

Every single online game has bots, bar none.

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Vote Mittani for CSM, making the game a better place one less bot at a time.


For every billion made by hisec mining bots 10 bil is made by nullsec ratting bots, whom goons have standing orders to not report.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2012-02-15 14:19:33 UTC
Sasha Azala wrote:
Ok, what did you do with the real Tippia?
You used to be really active on the forums, now you just seem to taking a bit of a back-seat.
I'm trying to finish my thesis… contrary to popular belief, this actually takes a bit of time away from things like EVE. P

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These days your views are one sided in general to what they used to be (not necessarily this post but in general), or at least it seems that way.
Nah. They're the same-sided as they've always been (unless you count the first 3-4 months when I was still learning): they're still the views that highsec needs to be far more risky than it is and that players need to learn/be taught how to make use of the myriad of tools at their disposal to create their own security. This, more than anything short of a completely game-breaking removal of all threats, is the only way to actually make people as safe as they would like to be.

Additionally, these kinds of campaigns activate the market like few other things, and there is quite literally nothing that could even remotely be considered detrimental about that kind of activity. This game lives and dies by the amount of destruction that is going on, and the market activity that is generated by that destruction. It needs to be encouraged in every way possible
Cajunspitfire
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2012-02-15 14:25:45 UTC
Death to all the strippers, er bots. It is obvious that there will be more botters due to the requirements from fuel cells. The prices have risen a lot over the past month and that wasn't due to Goonageddon. It was heading that way long before this. I sit in my ice belt and watch not two but three ice bots mining for 23/7 without recourse. How is it they get away with it. Good on the Goons and that sexy voice Mittens. Maybe he can bring balance to the force.

Vote Mittani for CSM . He has cookies
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-02-15 14:29:25 UTC
Cajunspitfire wrote:
Death to all the strippers, er bots. It is obvious that there will be more botters due to the requirements from fuel cells. The prices have risen a lot over the past month and that wasn't due to Goonageddon. It was heading that way long before this. I sit in my ice belt and watch not two but three ice bots mining for 23/7 without recourse. How is it they get away with it. Good on the Goons and that sexy voice Mittens. Maybe he can bring balance to the force.

Vote Mittani for CSM . He has cookies




You actually watch them 23/7, I'm sure you did not literally mean that.
Taiwanistan
#48 - 2012-02-15 15:15:36 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jafit wrote:
It's interesting how Moon mining and PI are other forms of resource gathering in this game introduced since belt mining, and they're passive in nature rather than requiring players to sit in a ship and shoot at something. I like to think that this is because CCP realised how bad mining gameplay is, but that probably isn't the reason.

As for bots, any activity that is boring and monotonous, and which requires no thought or creativity can and will be botted. This goes for mining, ratting, missions, and Jita 0.01 isk undercutting market PvP. Bots are a symptom of a bad game with boring gameplay. People complain about CCP not banning bots, instead you should complain about the gameplay, and make gameplay that requires human thought and creativity to play, then the bots will go away on their own.

Out of interest does anyone know of any bots that can do probing? If not then that's a step in the right direction.


I was going to like you post till I finished reading it.

Every single online game has bots, bar none.

Quote:
Vote Mittani for CSM, making the game a better place one less bot at a time.


For every billion made by hisec mining bots 10 bil is made by nullsec ratting bots, whom goons have standing orders to not report.


vote for the mittani for pro-choice and higher mineral prices

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#49 - 2012-02-15 15:28:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Mara Rinn wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
If mining mechanics were not so obsolete then we'd have mechanisms for active protection.


How do you actively protect anything in hisec?

No amount of remote repping can contend with the alpha of a few Tornadoes. You can't shoot first without losing your ship. You can't stop the other guy from shooting without losing your ship. The best you can do in hisec, to protect your highly valuable paper thin sessile spacecraft is to spam D-scan and warp out of the belt when you see non-mining ships on scan. Even paying that much attention to the game won't protect you from stealth bombers.


I posted a suggestion in the past, about implementing the so called "guard mechanic" other MMOs got. Basically a non mining ship could actively protect the exhumer with a module that sends a protective barrier (lasts 20 secs, 10 mins cooldown maybe with stront usage, makes immune to scram only in hi sec) around it. If a gank boat attacks the mining ship, the damage goes 90% to the "tank" ship and 10% to the exhumer (numbers subject to be adapted to intended max survivable alpha) while Concord still does its job. The exhumer has those 20 secs to GTFO.

This gives a non afk tank AND a non AFK miner a chance to react and defend, without breaking ancient EvE mechanics all around.


Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Razzor Death wrote:
...
hey hey hey now, are you suggesting that people can mine in saftey is they play the game ?


D-scan doesn't always save you in high sec. It can be filled with a lot of entries, missions can be run near belts or grav sites, so forth and so on.

Also, sitting there, pressing a button over and over again is the most demented way of expecting someone to "play" a game. Roll


It might be demented but guess what you are forced to do when you leave hi sec and go PvE / mine etc. around?

Ofc D-scan whack-da-button is also something I'd love to see burn in a flame and replaced with something less cruel.

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NECROFIN
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-02-15 15:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: NECROFIN
Everytime I see that last shiver of structure disappear from a caught Mack or a Hulk it just fills my blackened soul with such glee, oh my jesus satan god I'm gonna murder them ALL untill my wallet runs dry or my gonads explode!! (not likely with all the t2 salvage those wrecks yield!) TwistedaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!11
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#51 - 2012-02-15 15:34:41 UTC
Cool the industrial and civie hp bump I suggested will happen.

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NECROFIN
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-02-15 15:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: NECROFIN
You worthless meatbags, adapt or die!

Expecting CCP to fix the game to represent your own complete lack of effort and ability to play the game is so pathetic I just want to murder you bitches so hard (in game) its beyond words!

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#53 - 2012-02-15 15:47:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
I thank everyone involved if this causes prices to raise, and my profits, as I will continue to mine when I feel like it.


Though my actual goal is to make gankers lose money by failing. I like ganker tears (yes, they exist). The isk is just a bonus.


And for the record, with a little bit of work you can be 99% safe in HS (percent made up for purpose of hyperbole). And it doesn't involve clicking dscan even once.
doyilooki
Global Gang Bangers
#54 - 2012-02-15 15:58:23 UTC
Oops

I don’t do this for the tears, I do it for the security status. Roll

If you think you have been killed/podded in error you should fill out the ship reimbursement forum.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dFZzS0lTaXpSejVQb1AwTUhxQmFVNmc6MQ

The dispute payouts are done at the end of the weekly cycle. I also want to add that if you name the offending pilot/pilots they may soon get kicked as the directors are going crazy over the blatant disregard of the operations goal of bot hunting.

Vote The Mittani CSM!!!
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-02-15 16:01:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
Cajunspitfire wrote:
Death to all the strippers, er bots. It is obvious that there will be more botters due to the requirements from fuel cells. The prices have risen a lot over the past month and that wasn't due to Goonageddon. It was heading that way long before this. I sit in my ice belt and watch not two but three ice bots mining for 23/7 without recourse. How is it they get away with it. Good on the Goons and that sexy voice Mittens. Maybe he can bring balance to the force.

Vote Mittani for CSM . He has cookies


Although I welcome any kind of carnage because it makes me as a trader profit - have you ever considered that most of the miners mine afk and are thus sitting ducks for gankers while bots are quite clever nowadays and know when to GTFO?
I fear your campaign will kill off all the human miners and will let only the bots survive.
Not that I would care... just a thought...

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-02-15 16:14:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
It's good because there is nothing bad about it.



This...

Some capsulers will just write trash about Goons no matter what!!

This time around you have to admit, this is a good thing.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#57 - 2012-02-15 16:19:18 UTC
You used the wrong article - it should be 'a', not 'an', as the 'h' is voiced.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2012-02-15 16:19:28 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
have you ever considered that most of the miners mine afk and are thus sitting ducks for gankers while bots are quite clever nowadays and know when to GTFO?
Of course they have.

That's why the blindingly obvious suggestion is to not mine AFK and why people crying about getting killed only gets laughed at. It's also why hulkageddon is a good thing: it teaches people safety behaviour (whether they choose to actually adopt it or not is a different question…).
Ehn Roh
#59 - 2012-02-15 16:28:54 UTC
I approve of barge destruction if only because it might teach some people to pay attention.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-02-15 16:31:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
have you ever considered that most of the miners mine afk and are thus sitting ducks for gankers while bots are quite clever nowadays and know when to GTFO?
Of course they have.

That's why the blindingly obvious suggestion is to not mine AFK and why people crying about getting killed only gets laughed at. It's also why hulkageddon is a good thing: it teaches people safety behaviour (whether they choose to actually adopt it or not is a different question…).


Yes Hulkageddon IS a good thing, and I really do not care if I sell my strip miners to humans or to bots...
BUT:
Most dedicated miners I have met are multiboxing, mostly afk or at least semi-afk.
I don't think that it is easy to watch many different barges all the time. So mining while not afk and being aware of your surrounding would most likely mean that a miner cannot field 5-6 characters, but only 2 or 3, maybe even only one.
So they would lose money. Money is the only thing that drives a miner, easy afk money. So if they couldn't get this money anymore- they would not change their playstyle, they would just use bots instead.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.