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Nerf The Tengu.
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Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
#41 - 2012-02-15 01:45:00 UTC
Adelas wrote:
Why is it that whenever something is seen as capable or OP it needs a nerf ? - not everything needs to be the same.


caldari can't have nice things...Lol

Seen well skilled loki pilots do some horrible things to people. granted its not the ease of tengu for fit or flying.....but well thats on the players most times. they wanted to fly a gun happy race because it wasn't eve on easy mode. Or as the players from at least 2 years ago know you were told to avoid caldari for pvp since their more used nickname was faildari. People weren't whining about this ship 2 years ago (it was way more likely to see a legion or loki out hunting, the tengu's were running pve more lol), And nothing has changed on it since then. Not sure why the tears now.
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#42 - 2012-04-01 19:54:54 UTC
I think the skill of a pilot shines through when they come on spouting about the tengu being so "over powered." You ever stuck a neut or a web on a tengu? they go down like a rock. I really like this ship, and it has advantages over the other t3's of course, but then those t3's each have advantages over the tengu as well.

Please CCP, don't listen to these cry babies and nurf this ship. We use a full array of t3 ships in our fleets and they all have purposes and roles to play. This ship does not need to be screwed with.
Toda Takauji
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-04-01 23:33:29 UTC
Craterius wrote:
My first reaction was that it was great that a pilot with max relevant skills, and skilled at PvP, and willing to shell out 2-3 billion isk, should be able to field a ship that could take on the average small gang - with their (one) tackler, max dps ships, and lol throwaway Blackbird, or the like.

However, take a look at these statistics for one Tengu pilot, who posted a 48 minute video of his exploits on youtube, "xBOPOHx1":

This is a pilot about 41/2 years old, so about 55 milion SP or so. He probably has maxed relevant skills.

Until Tengu came out, he had a slightly above average killboard.

However, since then, look at this:

kills losses
Nov 2011 160 1
Dec 2011 149 0
Jan 2012 251 4
Feb 2012 78 1

His current efficiency: 99.95%

Chance of enemy survival: 1.27%

Most of these kills were with Tengus, although about 10% of them were in other ships.

These statistics make me a bit uneasy about my first reaction. Not all these small gangs were unprepared, below average, or lol fitted.

I'm sorry, but no pilot in EvE should have a 99.95% efficiency because of the neat ship he is flying.


I'm trying not to judge your level of reasoning by your comment but it's inevitable. Why should no one reap the fruits of their labor? It's like saying R n K shouldn't win most of their fights because they are significantly better at planning and implementing pvp strategies.
Nendail Smith
Lockheed Nighthawk
#44 - 2012-04-02 03:46:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nendail Smith
Removed
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#45 - 2012-04-02 06:29:35 UTC
You could up the raw dps of a Loki and the covert dps of a Proteus (and let Legions do ncos) and have the same effect tbh.

On the other hand ... don't want to make the whole T3 series OP, so yeah, sad as it may be... I concur with nerf the Tengu Sad
Derkata
#46 - 2012-04-02 16:18:11 UTC
Adelas wrote:
Why is it that whenever something is seen as capable or OP it needs a nerf ? - not everything needs to be the same.


Because it is easier to nerf 1 than buff 3 to get them back on par with each other. And it also helps avoid power creep.
Fi1ippo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-04-03 04:58:07 UTC
I want to nerf everything i cant kill, because i should be able to kill it because its unfair and because i should be the best and because i shouldnt have to lose at anything in this game i mean its a game and i should be great and awesome and tengus ruin that awesomeness and they should be nerfed so i can shoot one down and FISTPUMP after i do so because of how awesome i am but without tengu nerfs this wont happen so nerf it it needs it its op

fin
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#48 - 2012-04-03 06:01:09 UTC
Fi1ippo wrote:
I want to nerf everything i cant kill, because i should be able to kill it because its unfair and because i should be the best and because i shouldnt have to lose at anything in this game i mean its a game and i should be great and awesome and tengus ruin that awesomeness and they should be nerfed so i can shoot one down and FISTPUMP after i do so because of how awesome i am but without tengu nerfs this wont happen so nerf it it needs it its op

fin


I can see what you are trying to do here but being a tad overzealous reveals a pinch of desperation which communicates the exact opposite sentiment from the air of smug superiority you were aiming for. Perchance try again?
Fi1ippo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-04-03 10:12:19 UTC
Crellion wrote:
Fi1ippo wrote:
I want to nerf everything i cant kill, because i should be able to kill it because its unfair and because i should be the best and because i shouldnt have to lose at anything in this game i mean its a game and i should be great and awesome and tengus ruin that awesomeness and they should be nerfed so i can shoot one down and FISTPUMP after i do so because of how awesome i am but without tengu nerfs this wont happen so nerf it it needs it its op

fin


I can see what you are trying to do here but being a tad overzealous reveals a pinch of desperation which communicates the exact opposite sentiment from the air of smug superiority you were aiming for. Perchance try again?


Im flying one, so no need
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#50 - 2012-04-03 10:32:07 UTC
Fi1ippo wrote:
Crellion wrote:
Fi1ippo wrote:
I want to nerf everything i cant kill, because i should be able to kill it because its unfair and because i should be the best and because i shouldnt have to lose at anything in this game i mean its a game and i should be great and awesome and tengus ruin that awesomeness and they should be nerfed so i can shoot one down and FISTPUMP after i do so because of how awesome i am but without tengu nerfs this wont happen so nerf it it needs it its op

fin


I can see what you are trying to do here but being a tad overzealous reveals a pinch of desperation which communicates the exact opposite sentiment from the air of smug superiority you were aiming for. Perchance try again?


Im flying one, so no need


I assumed you did. I do too. And?
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#51 - 2012-04-03 11:52:34 UTC
remove over sized prop mods. Problem solved.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#52 - 2012-04-03 12:50:46 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
remove over sized prop mods. Problem solved.


don't make over sized prop mods the only problem. this ship is too versatile.

dps difference between missiles and say blasters is just ridiculous when you'll look at range that they both can shoot
Scrindle Kavees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-04-03 14:53:30 UTC
Nerf me because I'm so ******* awesome.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#54 - 2012-04-03 15:20:07 UTC
Scrindle Kavees wrote:
Nerf me because I'm so ******* awesome.


or :

"Y U WANT TO NERF MY OP SHIP"
Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#55 - 2012-04-03 15:22:14 UTC
Or:

Buff the Legion, Proteus, and Loki. Cool
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#56 - 2012-04-03 15:25:45 UTC
Craterius wrote:

This is a pilot about 41/2 years old, so about 55 milion SP or so. He probably has maxed relevant skills.


So little SP would be a epically failed training...
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#57 - 2012-04-03 15:54:49 UTC
Aestivalis Saidrian wrote:
Or:

Buff the Legion, Proteus, and Loki. Cool


i don't really think that cruisers should do more damage than battleships
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