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Cruiser, getting torn apart by L2 Frigates.

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Katz Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-02-12 19:27:00 UTC
Hey fellas!
I seem to be having trouble with Frigates in L2 missions. Some times it takes ages for me to hit them, even if I web them and fly directly in front of them (i.e. they are chasing me). Wat do? Thanks!

This is my fit;

Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I
Focused Modulated Medium Energy Beam I

Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

Extruded Heat Sink I
Extruded Heat Sink I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Internal Force Field Array I

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Genevieve Darkfury
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-02-12 20:21:50 UTC
Hi Katz,

Make sure whichever ammo type you're using that you're within your optimal + fall off range.

For example, when I use a pulse laser fit I can hit about 8km out with multi-frequency crystals.

With beam lasers, even with multi-frequency, your optimal is about 20km, and the tracking is MUCH worse on beam lasers.

So you need to get away from them and shoot at a distance so the transversal velocity is lower, or you could switch to pulse lasers which have much stronger tracking.
J'as Salarkin
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#3 - 2012-02-12 20:25:39 UTC
You seem to fly a maller. My first suggestion would get an omen. Why? Check the wiki page and it says exaclty this about the maller: "Its only weakness may be the lack of any drone bay, which can make Mallers vulnerable to fast frigate attacks if the pilot does not balance his ship's fitting with other anti-frigate equipment than drones. " Link:Maller-Wiki

The omen can fit three light drones which should take care of the nasty frigates for you.

There are other reasons to chose the omen such as the higher damage it gives. I should also point out that fitting Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I instead of Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I is probably better for your cap-life if you try to run your ship stable.

Good luck!
Lenore Leelu
Obsidian Dynamics
#4 - 2012-02-13 02:11:35 UTC
can you also fit rat specific armour hardners?
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-02-13 09:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tore Smith
The reason you are having trouble hitting frigs is using beam lasers. They have good range but bad tracking. If you were using pulse lasers you should be fine. But keep in mind that they have far less range as long as you don’t have t2 skills and can’t use scorch t2 ammo. So you will have to move around a little more.

Your fit would look like this (note that there is room for a NOS which will benefit such a short range fit):

[Maller, t1 pulse]
Extruded Heat Sink I
Extruded Heat Sink I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Internal Force Field Array I

Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner

Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Focused Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
E50 Prototype Energy Vampire

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I


As has been said above already, the Omen could work better in L2s. Here is a fit that I used early on:

[Omen, Lvl 2 Missioner]
Medium Armor Repairer II
N-Type EM Hardener I
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Standard M
Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Standard M
Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Standard M
Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Standard M
Focused Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Standard M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin I x3
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-13 09:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tore Smith
ahh, double post...
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2012-02-13 16:15:02 UTC
Katz Solette wrote:

Internal Force Field Array I


Shocked good lord, why are you spending so much on one of these instead of just using a t2 one? Train hull upgrades 4 and use hardeners and a t2 damage control

noobs these days are just loaded with isk, it seems.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Katz Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-02-13 17:16:41 UTC
Batelle wrote:
noobs these days are just loaded with isk, it seems.

Thanks for the compliment, jerk.
I guess I'm just loaded, basically.

To everyone else, thank you for your constructive help.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2012-02-13 20:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Katz Solette wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Shocked good lord, why are you spending so much on one of these instead of just using a t2 one? Train hull upgrades 4 and use hardeners and a t2 damage control
noobs these days are just loaded with isk, it seems.

Thanks for the compliment, jerk.
I guess I'm just loaded, basically.

To everyone else, thank you for your constructive help.


Hey, my comment was VERY constructive, and one that no one else mentioned.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Genevieve Darkfury
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-02-14 05:56:05 UTC
Probably because we assumed it dropped for them in a mission or something.
Faith Lincoln
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-02-14 12:01:25 UTC
When I started L2s I used the Omen with Pulse Lasers and drones.
Still I had the same problem.

I solved it by switching to the Arbitrator and making more use of drones.
Now I don't have a problem with my L2s any more.

As for specific hardeners: I've been told to use them, too. But as you can use T2 allround hardeners with just Hull upgrades 4 and all the other T2 hardeners with Hull upgrades 5 I still use the adaptive nano IIs most of the time.

Certainly there are ppl around here who have more experience but I think sometimes they got the wrong perspective, with their Tons of SP.
Vogon Roads
Vogon Inc
#12 - 2012-02-14 22:40:30 UTC
Hello,
My suggestion for your L2 issues:
Equip small lasers. Great for shooting small targets, like frigates. Approx 85-90% of npc targets in L2's are frigates, so why not equip for the majority? Try it, just dont tell anyone, as we all know its wrong to fit smaller guns than you can carry. But, hope you solve your issue and progress.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#13 - 2012-02-15 04:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaanchana
Katz Solette wrote:
Batelle wrote:
noobs these days are just loaded with isk, it seems.

Thanks for the compliment, jerk.
I guess I'm just loaded, basically.

To everyone else, thank you for your constructive help.


His comment was one of the most constructive one out here, may be not for the topic but best in the long run. DC II is needed for almost all activities you can do in eve and if you want to spend that much on one mod thats waste of isk which you could be putting to better use.

You ask for help in a public forum, you shouldn't expect every answers to be the same as you'd expect. And that attitude will not get you far in eve.

edit: he wasn't patronising you if i am not clear.
Nnam Pir
Nnam Fleet
#14 - 2012-02-15 05:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nnam Pir
I had better results in L2 missions when I used Blasters as opposed to Railguns. Buff your falloff and tracking as much as you can and you should be golden, even using Medium Pulses against Frigs is doable. If you find yourself havnig trouble with a fast sniper you can't get in range of, well, that's where a couple Drones are really useful.

Also, I was able to stop doing L2 missions and found my standings rose a bit faster by blitzing L1 missions in a Destroyer (still fitted for long range blasters). This got me into L3s pretty quickly.

I buff my Blasters like so (this could work almost as well for Pulse Lasers):
Mids: 1 Sensor Booster II scripted for Range (2x falloff and optimal boost), and if possible a second Booster scripted for Tracking.
Rigs: 2 Medium Hybrid Ambit Extensions (Lasers have a mirror rig available, Medium Energy Ambit Extension)

On top of this I used the ammo that reduced my optimal range the most but which had the best damage numbers (Antimatter for Hybrids), since the range reduction for ammo only affects the Optimal Range (unless specifically stated otherwise in the ammo stats) while Blasters are all about the falloff range.

This could reduce your cap life, but if you're killing your enemies with fewer shots, it can balance out. Biggest benefit for buffing your falloff is that you can start firing at the frigs sooner, when their transversal velocity isn't as high, so your tracking is more likely to keep up with them.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2012-02-15 22:04:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Katz Solette wrote:
Hey fellas!
I seem to be having trouble with Frigates in L2 missions. Some times it takes ages for me to hit them, even if I web them and fly directly in front of them (i.e. they are chasing me). Wat do? Thanks!

Level 2 missions are populated mostly with frigates, so either fit small turrets instead of medium, or use a destroyer.

When you come to a level 2 mission with mostly cruisers in it and few frigates (there is at least one such mission), sure, go back to medium turrets for that mission.

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
Lharanai
Fools of the Blue Oyster
#16 - 2012-02-16 20:31:36 UTC
I admit I went to Battleships for missioning as fast as possible and never looked back, but one statement earlier is really important that I want to highlight it again

for missioning you WILL need drones, skill them early, you will need them especially in L4, my drone skills still suck because of a remap I did.

In a L4 I kill the BS and BC fast and then I have to wait for hours until my drones clean up the rest.

T2 Tachyons and frigs do not go well if you are not in a sniping position

Seriously, don't take me serious, I MEAN IT...seriously

Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-02-17 22:57:17 UTC
Kaanchana wrote:
Katz Solette wrote:
Batelle wrote:
noobs these days are just loaded with isk, it seems.

Thanks for the compliment, jerk.
I guess I'm just loaded, basically.

To everyone else, thank you for your constructive help.


His comment was one of the most constructive one out here, may be not for the topic but best in the long run. DC II is needed for almost all activities you can do in eve and if you want to spend that much on one mod thats waste of isk which you could be putting to better use.

You ask for help in a public forum, you shouldn't expect every answers to be the same as you'd expect. And that attitude will not get you far in eve.

edit: he wasn't patronising you if i am not clear.



Actually, DCs have almost no place on a PvE boat unless you're afraid of being ganked because they're overloaded with too many other expensive mods.
Kaanchana
Tax-haven
#18 - 2012-02-18 01:29:53 UTC
Mavnas wrote:
Kaanchana wrote:
Katz Solette wrote:
Batelle wrote:
noobs these days are just loaded with isk, it seems.

Thanks for the compliment, jerk.
I guess I'm just loaded, basically.

To everyone else, thank you for your constructive help.


His comment was one of the most constructive one out here, may be not for the topic but best in the long run. DC II is needed for almost all activities you can do in eve and if you want to spend that much on one mod thats waste of isk which you could be putting to better use.

You ask for help in a public forum, you shouldn't expect every answers to be the same as you'd expect. And that attitude will not get you far in eve.

edit: he wasn't patronising you if i am not clear.



Actually, DCs have almost no place on a PvE boat unless you're afraid of being ganked because they're overloaded with too many other expensive mods.


He is doing a lvl2 mission and he is having trouble with it. That means he is not gonna be using pimp mods on his cruiser.
And a DC will be a very good use of a low slot until he gets the hang of triggers and he is confident enough to pimp his ship.

Over tanking is good for beginners.
Saul Shardani
People of the Saiya
Silent Company
#19 - 2012-02-18 03:15:32 UTC
DC 2 shouldn't be used for PvE? crap, I've been doing it wrong this whole time Sad
Lili Lu
#20 - 2012-02-19 02:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Jeebus, don't know why all the dc hate. Fitting a dc is a matter of choice and not a mistake. A dc is particularly good for new players. If they find their tank getting overwhelmed it gives them the extra seconds to decide to warp out instead of having structure evaporate in an instant.

Even for experienced missioners it is an insurance policy that provides some measure of mitigation against mental fatigue (blowing a trigger), distraction, or unexpected disconnect, that has little drawbacks as it provides resists to the other tanking layers as well.

As for a meta 4 dc v a dc II, that choice can either be skills or more likely cpu left on a desired fit. The meta 4 uses only 17 cpu, the tech II uses 30. So the potential saving of 13 cpu can be very welcome on some tight cpu boats or for newer players who have not trained WU5 or elctronics 5. The extra 15 or 16 mil isk is then a matter of someone evaluating their own budgetary concerns.

So, op don't worry about the dc criticism go right ahead and fit it if you want.

As for level 2s, an arbitrator is what you want. All 3 other amarr tech I cruisers have been total ass for a long time. Maybe with the upcoming balancing patch (whenever that comes, "soon") they will be more worthwhile for something. But the arbitrator is a very good ship to skill into and use for level 2s. It will have you train drones 5 which along with weapons upgrades 5 should probably be your first skills to train to level 5 as a combat character.
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