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Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#1 - 2012-02-13 20:23:10 UTC
As someone who has never really been out to nullsec, please forgive my ignorance and humor me. Is there a place in nullsec for an industrialist? what are the markets out there like? They're obviously reduced in terms of product and quantity, but how difficult is it to find something you may want to purchase? Is nullsec industry simply lacking because of the logistics required to move minerals and raw components/products from high sec hubs to your sector of operations? anything glaring I may have missed in my musings?
Jacabon Mere
Capital Storm.
Out of the Blue.
#2 - 2012-02-13 22:38:35 UTC
The issues you would face would be that most alliance market stations are stocked by traders, not manufacturers. there might be a small amount of larger ship production using compression to move minerals out but 95% will be done by 1 or 2 guys with a JF.

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#3 - 2012-02-13 23:35:38 UTC
Jacabon Mere wrote:
The issues you would face would be that most alliance market stations are stocked by traders, not manufacturers. there might be a small amount of larger ship production using compression to move minerals out but 95% will be done by 1 or 2 guys with a JF.

Pretty much this.

Most T2 stuff is easier to make in Empire. With the PI it's a little less painful than it was, but still hard. So yes, people will jump items out.

Most industry in Null is to make Cap ships and other mineral based ships, not Tech 2/Tech 3. There is still a market but the availability of stations will depend on your corporation and there may not be as many stations as you are used to in empire. So you usually do production at POSs. Also, for mining. You'll probably have to pay mineral tax (we take value) to the corp owning the station for refining and probably won't get great refining rates.

Not the worst thing in the world but way different than empire.

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Volar Kang
Kang Industrial
#4 - 2012-02-14 01:41:43 UTC
I think you pointed out a few of the issues. In nullsec, even mining can be dangerous. You have a few hours to mine one day and suddenly an enemy camps three or four cloaked ships in the system and suddenly your mining trip gets cancelled. The most profitable stuff is flown in by traders but sometimes they gouge a bit since they have to take the risk of flying the products across many dangerous systems. Small items with no profit are in short supply, (things like R.A.M. components). Your POS pretty much needs to be large if you are going to do things yourself but you need to slap on defenses that you dont need in empire so that takes up space. Ice materials are crazy expensive sometimes depending on where you are at.

Before trying out nullsec industry, I would recommend two things.

1. Manufacture in highsec and sell in nullsec entry points. Most people will fly out and buy in the entry systems rather than fly all the way to Jita so they are willing to pay a bit more

2. Try your hand at being a trader. Get a friend or two to fly scout and support, fly some goods into 0.0 and then pick up some moon and high-end minerals to return home with.

If you decide to try the second option, I would recommend a NRDS (not red dont shoot) area like CVA's space in the south. Also, contact a diplomat for the alliance area you want to go to and ask them what they need and where they have stations so you dont have to do any extra recon to find them. I also recommend flying around a bit in a covert ops ship or other small cheap ship and get a feel for the route and make some safe spots for the trip before you actually fly some goods out there.

When I did it with two friends, the first friend would fly ahead one system and look for gate camps. Me and the second guy would warp in, fly to a safe spot and wait for his report. Then my escort would fly to the gate and signal me to come when it was clear. we would both jump through, go to a safe spot and wait for the scout to go to the next system. Sounds like a lot of work but we were moving billions at a time and never lost a load.

Hope that helps
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#5 - 2012-02-14 02:35:55 UTC
I definitely appreciate the feedback. I had my hunches and what you folks have told me it's helped fill in the gaps. Even after a year, I still feel really new to this game.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#6 - 2012-02-14 09:09:13 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Jacabon Mere wrote:
The issues you would face would be that most alliance market stations are stocked by traders, not manufacturers. there might be a small amount of larger ship production using compression to move minerals out but 95% will be done by 1 or 2 guys with a JF.

Pretty much this.

Most T2 stuff is easier to make in Empire. With the PI it's a little less painful than it was, but still hard. So yes, people will jump items out.

Most industry in Null is to make Cap ships and other mineral based ships, not Tech 2/Tech 3. There is still a market but the availability of stations will depend on your corporation and there may not be as many stations as you are used to in empire. So you usually do production at POSs. Also, for mining. You'll probably have to pay mineral tax (we take value) to the corp owning the station for refining and probably won't get great refining rates.

Not the worst thing in the world but way different than empire.

They are dependend from high sec people... but still so much hate

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Citizen of Solitude
Skorpynekomimi
#7 - 2012-02-14 16:58:06 UTC
As is my understanding, the majority of stuff is made in highsec and JFed in.
Ammo, some T1 ships, and drones are made out in null, from what I know.

Plus, caps and supercaps, of course. Since supercaps can only BE made out in null, and that's where regular capitals are the most use.

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