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How did becoming rich change the game for you?

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Fracy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-02-14 12:05:36 UTC
rob3r wrote:
I just broke the 10B mark and I feel pretty smug about that, but I still need a lot more in order to reach some of my goals.

As the #2 guy in Test I know a fair bit about the politics of 0.0, so if I ever became a trillionaire I am sure I could have quite a bit of fun moving the mid level alliances around the map like chess pieces.

I know it has been done by guys like Horus, but it doesn't seem to happen as often as I think it would. So for you trillionaires out there looking for something fun to do, that might be something to think about.

If that sounds like too much effort, just buy Rifters. Always need more Rifters.




can there really be many trillionaires out there.

i bet if u consider assets then maybe but actual cold hard isk in wallet over 1 trillion. I would love to see that. the only person i have ever heard who had isk like that, was that **** that tried but failed first time to create black noise. puppetmaster or something like that.
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#62 - 2012-02-14 14:11:40 UTC
rob3r wrote:
As the #2 guy in Test I know a fair bit about the politics of 0.0, so if I ever became a trillionaire I am sure I could have quite a bit of fun moving the mid level alliances around the map like chess pieces.

I know it has been done by guys like Horus, but it doesn't seem to happen as often as I think it would. So for you trillionaires out there looking for something fun to do, that might be something to think about.

Sure, you can spend isk to make stuff happen in 0.0 politics, but the right words in the right ears gets the job done a whole lot cheaper.

Fracy wrote:
can there really be many trillionaires out there.

By wallet ballance, probably not. By NAV, there are plenty.

The reason being that there are relatively few situations where having a large wallet balance is wise.

It is better to have an appreciating asset than a depreciating wallet balance.

My NAV is somewhere between the 1st and 2nd trillion (*) and yet I have less than 25b in liquid isk spread across my wallets.

* I find it's not good for me to pay too close attention to my NAV, so I calculate it infrequently.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#63 - 2012-02-15 02:43:09 UTC
Gregory Brunswick wrote:
How did becoming rich in eve online change the game for you. Did it change it for the better? Was there any difference in playing from the psychological standpoint? Did you change the way to the way you played the game? Or did it result in the game becoming more boring?

Rich in this context would start at around the 5 billion isk mark (including assets) which is 10 times the average wallet. I would include assets but there is no hard numbers for that.


5 billion is rich?
I don't feel rich.

I'll get back to you when I break a trillion.
Gregory Brunswick
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#64 - 2012-02-15 04:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregory Brunswick
Fracy wrote:
rob3r wrote:
I just broke the 10B mark and I feel pretty smug about that, but I still need a lot more in order to reach some of my goals.

As the #2 guy in Test I know a fair bit about the politics of 0.0, so if I ever became a trillionaire I am sure I could have quite a bit of fun moving the mid level alliances around the map like chess pieces.

I know it has been done by guys like Horus, but it doesn't seem to happen as often as I think it would. So for you trillionaires out there looking for something fun to do, that might be something to think about.

If that sounds like too much effort, just buy Rifters. Always need more Rifters.




can there really be many trillionaires out there.

i bet if u consider assets then maybe but actual cold hard isk in wallet over 1 trillion. I would love to see that. the only person i have ever heard who had isk like that, was that **** that tried but failed first time to create black noise. puppetmaster or something like that.


How did A puppetmaster get is money exactly? All I know about him is that he seems to enjoy causing drama in nullsec alliances and seems to be able to quickly get into the top echelons of power somehow.

Anyway there isn't that many trillionaires in terms of hard cash. There is only less than 300 trillion in active account wallets total which obviously means the top limit is 300 guys which is obviously not the case. By assets there may be more but good luck trying to quickly liquidate that without crashing the economy.
Jaqa
Royale Strategic Imperative
#65 - 2012-02-15 05:09:13 UTC
Not rich, but the few times I make a big sale, I use the extra cash to try riskier ventures or invest some in startups.

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malaire
#66 - 2012-02-15 08:39:21 UTC
Gregory Brunswick wrote:
Anyway there isn't that many trillionaires in terms of hard cash. There is only less than 300 trillion in active account wallets total which obviously means the top limit is 300 guys which is obviously not the case. By assets there may be more but good luck trying to quickly liquidate that without crashing the economy.

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Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-02-15 09:37:13 UTC
Getting rich ruined part of the game for me.

Because pvp losses weren't really losses anymore, I lost my adrenaline rush that I had when taking risks with my hard-earned isks. I became more and more detached from Eve.

Because I didn't have an use anymore for the isks I earned, I played less, which aggravated the first issue.
Dsan
Bedlam.
#68 - 2012-02-15 09:56:08 UTC
Gives me a choice, to do what ever or not caring that much about the reactions to my actions.

I haven't started pvping more, but it's the plan.

But a lot my isk is going to be spent on making more isk and more contacts and spreading influence.

Or follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/Dsan_dk

Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#69 - 2012-02-15 15:07:56 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:
Getting rich ruined part of the game for me.

Because pvp losses weren't really losses anymore, I lost my adrenaline rush that I had when taking risks with my hard-earned isks. I became more and more detached from Eve.

Now this is something I don't understand. But it's probably just a difference in the way I think about things and the way you think about things, or a difference in the way we measure success and failure.

If I was to name one thing that hasn't changed as a result of becoming wealthy, it's the thrill and enjoyment of PvP. It's still my absolute favourite part of EVE and the thing that most contributes to my enjoyment of the game.

Before I was wealthy, I didn't fly what I couldn't afford to lose. No change there.

Before I was wealthy, I wanted to win fights, not lose them. No change there.

Before I was wealthy, I wanted my enemy to die, not me or my fleetmates. No change there.

Before I was wealthy, I wanted my killboard to look good. I wanted good kills, I didn't want embarrassing losses. I wanted my efficiency high. I wanted to clock up a few hundred kills a month. I wanted a good rank. No changes there.

Before I was wealthy, I got my thrills from the anticipation and subsequent execution of the fight followed by smugging over killmails and battlereports. No change there.

The only differences the isk has made to me is the cost and variety of ships I can fly and the speed with which I can reship. Both of which have increased my enjoyment, not reduced it.

Also, I still fly pretty cheap compared to many people I fly with. I just fit for the job and no more.

Shadowsword wrote:
Because I didn't have an use anymore for the isks I earned, I played less, which aggravated the first issue.

Sounds like a narrow play style biting you.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#70 - 2012-02-15 21:58:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
@BB

You are a competitive player like me. You like to leverage on previous succes to embrace the next challenge. You don't bask in the "glory" or become fearful of losing what you already got.

When I play in another PvP game, I aim to be as close to the top as possible and feel actually slowed down by some team mates who only "play for the lulz" or "to have fun".

I want my kill vs death ratio > 4.25 there (ideally 5) and to have double digits kills on everyone else.

But this mentality is extremely rare and losing space to the dominant fearful welfarism where everyone is happy to get a little morsel of the cake and then backs off, hiding his hands.
Herbatrix
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2012-02-15 22:34:23 UTC
Holy **** this thread. I felt rich when I managed to hit 500mil the other day, and now apparently 5bil is still poor? Bah.
GF07M8
#72 - 2012-02-16 07:21:27 UTC
I wonder what the average number of accounts is for the trillionaries. Most of the "rich" I know are in the 3-400bil range and have a small army of accounts, average would be 8-10.
Niding
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#73 - 2012-02-16 08:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Niding
Once you hit 2 billion or so, your in a position to get real rich real fast.

My first 1 billion took rather long time to accumulate as I didnt really put alot of thought into it, nor did I understand the game.
I was a cheap bastard and grinded "solo" like a fool.
Loosing my first Prophecy back in 2006 was "OMG OMG!", while now I can loose dreads/carriers and it doesnt
really bother me unless it happened in a embarrasing way. Loosing stuff in a good fight is fine.

After a while doing that I broke 1 billion and found that you can make wealth while improving the game for others.
So I started singlehandedly making trade hubs in low+null sec, and what I found was that people appriciated it and
looking at dotlan you could see the activity in the area exploded after a month of initial investment.
At the peek of this I was making 1-2 billion a day profit. I actually got several mails from random people thanking me
for making a Jita light in the area etc etc. Its easy to be nice when you make billions on it Cool
Kept doing this until I hit 150b in wallet, bought supercapitals just cause I could.
That said, even having Titan+supercarrier, flying around in guardian/scimitars are much more fun. The supercapitals
just adds to the convinience factor.

Additionally I can be generous with ingame friends. Someone need a ship and I got it in hangar? Ill lend it out and
not think twice about them loosing it or not.

About 6 months ago I did the trade hub/regional development again. Invested 16billions into 1 system just as an expiriment.
First 3 weeks it was kinda slow, then it started to pick up and 5 weeks in I had tons of transactions,
activity in the surrounding area etc.

I guess what Im trying to say, as Bad Bobby have been, being filthy rich opens up more options in the game, and
the wealth means I need to put less effort into it in 2012 as compared to back in my 2006 prophecy days.
Billionaire Carebear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-02-16 16:50:50 UTC
Niding wrote:
After a while doing that I broke 1 billion and found that you can make wealth while improving the game for others.


This is what I thought people did with their ISK, not Hoarding it away in a mattress where it does nobody any good. Can this really be the ONLY person who puts their wealth back into the game so it can circulate with other players? Bravo for you Good Sir! Thanks for playing!

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GF07M8
#75 - 2012-02-16 18:26:11 UTC
Billionaire Carebear wrote:
Niding wrote:
After a while doing that I broke 1 billion and found that you can make wealth while improving the game for others.


This is what I thought people did with their ISK, not Hoarding it away in a mattress where it does nobody any good. Can this really be the ONLY person who puts their wealth back into the game so it can circulate with other players? Bravo for you Good Sir! Thanks for playing!


The only ones who can get away with zero re-investment and true hoarding are the mission, incursion, and anom farmers who are simply generating isk out of thin air (bounties) and have no obligation to put any of it into goods or services to keep going. Of course this is only 100% air-tight if they use a ship with nothing but drones/lasers with t1 crystals, but still, the point remains. Everyone else is naturally re-investing and allowing their isk to circulate.
Lady Mariko
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-02-17 12:25:16 UTC
Lol I will tell you when I get there.
Death ToU
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-02-17 13:29:36 UTC
Well I would class myself as super-f***ing-uber rich. I'm up to nearly 50Billion and all i fly are rifters and tristans :) cheap losses FTW
Archua Zaul
NeoCom Experiments
#78 - 2012-02-20 19:06:14 UTC
Hmm I always thought rich was a state of mind, but if your placing the staring point at 5bn, then I'm in!

It hasnt really changed the way I play to be honest, I re-invest all my profits into making more money one way or another. On the odd occaision I'll end up experimenting with a new venture (and probably take a loss on it).

I don't really do much in the way of pew pew, I like my pvp to be market based and behind the scenes.

Though I do now fly pretty much any ship I fancy when I fancy it, and have even been considering taking a few throw-away carriers out for fun.
Lt Angus
Goat Herders
#79 - 2012-02-21 02:19:22 UTC
When I wanted something I got it instead of thinking ooh that would be fun, thats about it.
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-02-21 06:55:20 UTC
Who plays this game just to watch your balance creep up??

What good is unspent ISK? Just keep enough to replace a few ships maybe a bil or two max and spend the rest buying new toys with which to crush your enemies. If you're not losing ships then it's just that much more crushing.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.