EVE General Discussion

I fully agree. I think the current system CCP has works for the game. I do not see a need to change it to some bastardised system.

read the above post again op,

and consider the example of the ganker and the miner,
for every miner that got ganked, there are many more that didn't
meanwhile mineral prices spike,
miners shrug and write off gank losses as "operating costs" and continue to mining, enjoying the higher prices
industry guys make a killing supplying ganking ships and mods,
market guys scramble to eat up the volume battling other other market guys

and it looks like the only victims are the whiners like you.

don't be a victim, don't whine

Yeah, but the thing is after 8 years Eve is still growing, even tho that might be slow. Those other mmos that have sky high hype 9/10 end up sucking and going FtP after a year or 2. Eve has proven it has the staying power, and is IMO worth the $15 a month.

The biggest thing eve has going for it self is the fact its one of if not the only Sandbox left in the mmo market.

No, 39k online with how much was it last announcement? 200,000 subscribers? ( correct me if I'm wrong on that number but that's the last report I remember ) Says this is an unpopular game, if CCP had devoted themselves to this type of game and making EVE as good as it can be rather than going for get rich quick schemes or pissing away their time on unknown MMORPGs and games they'd have far more people playing than people just subscribing.

I judge a game's success not by how many sales they make but by whether they're still playing it years later, the numbers actually being active in this game have gone up and down over the years but it still remains pretty low compared to the amount of subscribers there are.

There should be 200,000 players lagging this server up daily and causing queues to show me this is a popular game people enjoy, but that just isn't happening, even on the weekends and those are the facts, if this game was so awesome then why are their so many accounts just sitting about being unused?

I'm a casual player, and I pvp for the social aspects of the game. Nothing I like more than logging in, go chatting and joking with some buds, and blow up some people.

So you can't say that casuals all act the same way you do :)

For the same reason not everyone is riding a Ferrari.

Edit: Inappropriate language removed, CCP Phantom

I've been on these forums for a year, and what you claim to be reality is exactly hyperbole, and nothing more than your very narrow subjective point of view.

EVE community consists mostly of rather intelligent, helpful people in my experience, who on the other hand do not hesitate to troll when given a chance. There are two topics (that include all your points) that will surely bring the trolls like moths to a flame:

- increasing hisec security
- imbalance of risk vs reward

Why trolling? Because people who have played this game for years are TIRED of new players whining for more security, and disrespecting the prevailing playstyle as something that needs to be changed. 100% security simply is not what this game is about, 100% insecurity is. We don't understand what is so difficult about this to understand.

As what comes to the "facts" you listed, I've never read a single serious post stating anything like what you described. People don't want to drive miners out of game, some people just like easy kills and have found ways to make profit out of ganking miners. Most players don't have huge respect for suicide gankers, but accept it as a part of the game. People certainly don't want industrialists out of game, I don't have any idea where you pulled that from. People don't want Incursion runners out of the game, but the rewards need to be balanced. Some Incursion runners have acted like asshats, and tarnished the reputation of all Incursion runners. People don't want WH dwelllers out of their holes, ABC nerf was suggested for risk/reward reasons by someone not exactly familiar with WH life, and that suggestion never took off in any serious way.

But in one point you are correct- people do want carebears out of EVE. In this context "carebear" is a person who wants to change the game rules to protect him/her, instead of using the existing game mechanics to protect himself.



In my opinion the virtual universe of New Eden is a dangerous, hostile place. I enjoy overcoming the risks, outwitting and outgunning opponents who will use any means available to stop me.



Still you did exactly that, laid judgment and used hyperboles and in an accusative tone.

EDIT: CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS is an alliance of freelancers, and neither my or OP's posts reflect any kind of official view of the alliance - there are as many outlooks of EVE as there are members.

If you stopped to read and made an effort to comprehend, you would perhaps realize that I only expressed my personal opinion about him posting stuff like that.

I'm not in any position to deny him anything, and wouldn't deny even if I was.

We are freelancers, and as such I'm also free to remark that I'm not happy to see our alliance connected with such opinions.

CCP doesn´t need growth as envisioned by OP, in fact such growth would kill eve because of the technicial limitations, i.e. its one cluster, get too many ppl in and its laged to death, even with TiDi it would in places become unplayable.

CCP model is fine, they tried to change it and got smacked by the player base, its a game made by griefers for griefers if the OP would spend the time to learn eve´s history.

Edit: Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom

According to these articles[1][2] your average SWTOR server can expect to have somewhere between 1400 and 2700 people. This includes both the shards and the "sharded zones" that have different people running on the same map. Thus, we could say (for example) that 39k people online is the equivalent of 14 and 27 servers. Split the difference and call it 21.

So lets assume that SWTOR is representative of all sharded MMOs and note that Rift has 16 US TZ servers and 18 EU TZ servers[3]. Noting that only one of those server sets really comes into play at a time, we can safely say that on average that Eve has ~15% more people playing than Rift does.

Now, one might argue that its terrible if Eve is merely as popular as Rift - afterall, Rift just went half free to play! However, the situations are quite distinct. Consider:
- Eve has long since been turning a profit, and is continuing to turn quite a pretty penny in profit. Enough to outright pay for the development of at least one extra game.
- Eve's sub graph doesn't look like Rift's[4].
- Eve's sub graph has a high correlation to its population graph. Consider the server metrics [5][6] as well.

Basically: while 39k seems like its "really low"... its actually not.

-Liang

[1] http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-01-03-swtor-has-350-000-peak-concurrent-users-report
[2] http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=240117
[3] http://www.riftstatus.com/
[4] http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
[5] http://wp.me/p1WQ0O-4i
[6] http://bit.ly/z55dg6