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**repost (with improvements) from the old forum's Features & Ideas Discussion**

As we know an instant "WOW style" respec is bad and generally unwanted here in EVE.

Heres where I come with much more balanced idea.

An skills unlearning queue, similar to normal train over time feature but working... backwards.

How it works:

You set the skill you dont want to see anymore and then it goes, from max to the zero, over time, lvl5->lvl4->lvl3, giving all unlearned SP to your "SP redistribution pool" (the same SP pool as from missing Learning skills).

Whats the point then?

-It would have to be able to work along with normal skills training. Dual queue, one skill learning and one unlearning at time.
-Skillbooks wouldnt be given back, they are all lost, risk:reward ~.~

//wait wheres my punishment?! everything in EVE should have punishment... and consequences! Lets see what we can do here:

-SP unlearning speed would be based on 17/17/17/17/17 attributes or your lowest attribute

//Some would say its still unfair to unlearn an unnecessary skills at the lowest possible speed for a whole year?

Here it comes, another harsh penalty (eve players loves them, no?)

-Untrainable total SP would be capped on 1-3m SP (adjustable)
-Said cap would reset annually like neural remap
-An unlearned SP pool would be capped on 1 million (or less) to prevent SP stockpiling.

PROS:

-with untraining being based on time we wouldnt be able to respec to the new FOTM instantly
-with untraining limited to 2-3m SP per year we wouldnt be able to respec to new FOTM(s) at all
-we wouldnt be able to instantly respec our alts then flood character market with them
-we would be able to correct our mistakes and clean out our skill sheet a little
-enough penalties to satisfy every masochistic eve player!
-my "respec" idea is well thought out and better than others ~.~

CONS:

-find one!

Sorry but no. Trained skills have to be removed by CCP only (still sad that they removed learning skills).
Losing SP due an insufficient clone is the only normal way
to remove sp but you cannot control it. This should NOT be changed.
If you don't like a skill don't train it. If you realize years later that you
trained crap than live with it. We all do it.
I also have skills I do not need but hell I would never remove them. It is part of your EVE history.

By that reasoning, wouldn't it be more sensible (and easier) to keep the current skill system as it is also based on "time" and has a proven record for preventing inta-FOTM?



One million SP is still a bit. I could use it to get (racial) Frigates 5 and max out most of the weapon skills needed for it. Two to three million SP can get you two (racial) Battleship skills to 5.



People would keep the "SP pools" in limbo until a new FOTM comes out.



No such thing as a "mistake" when it comes to skills. The skills you trained before were relevant at the time you trained them... otherwise would wouldn't have trained them at all.

For disclosure: I trained my character here as a miner/industrialist when I first started playing the game and have well over 1 million SP in all the skills related to those areas. I have not used those skills in over 2 years (I refocused my efforts on PvP)... but you never know. One day I might want to use a "Battlehulk"... or I find myself in the position of having to manually move/collect barges/industrials from a POS because no one has a carrier/Orca nearby... or maybe I stumble upon a grav site that contains something worthwhile to mine (Dark Ochre ftw)... etc.



Not really, no. Your "SP pool" is too large and still allows for "insta-training."

No dual training/untraining and no SP pool - skills are just untrained and that's it - gone - no refunds. Then I'd be fine with it.

Yeah...I already proposed pretty much this exact same idea and got flamed to hell for it. I still think CCP is going to do an SP respec of some sort and this idea is better than no idea and letting them **** it up. If there were to be an SP respec then this is how I would want to see it done. Preferably I don't want any respec at all but I recognize that I am the minority in this desire and the average player being the majority wants something like this. CCP want's to make the barrier to entry to EvE a little less daunting to increase subs and retain more new subs. That being said I would not rage quit like a little girl on the rag if they did implement something like this.

this ^^

Stop ******* posting about SP reallocations, purchasing remaps or SP, SP "catch-up" for not being active for a while. It's all bullshit and won't happen, as it would be game-wrecking in EVE.

Get the **** over the bad decisions you made, learn that actions/choices have consequences, and STFU!

Maybe if you turned your brain on long enough to comprehend youd understand.

Your entitled to your opinion allright.

Your also entitled to get called out for your stupidity as well.

You knew that the moment you started spouting half the crap you post.

Start doing your research on these subjects and stop spitballing crap for once people...some of us have seen the same damn idea every damn week every bloody time and they are given the same damn answer every bloody time.

Maybe if you bothered to listen first and speak later you'd get it.

CCP can do what they want they want...but they will certainly not be listening to you thats for sure....or the OP....they listen to the majority of the people who paly this game.

And anyone who thinks they can make these stupid ideas based on threats of subscription base quitting maybe you should actually TALK to these said subscribers for once. Never assume everyone is just gonna die with glee and complete joy over your ideas....start acceptnig the fact that maybe 1 in 100...1 in a 1000 will work...and just maybe you'll get somewhere.

I have little mercy or paitence for reposted ideas...I expect the same treatment of myself if I did so..and already have recevied such treatment.

I agree with you on most of your post. Thing is the vast majority of gamers are casual and can't afford a second toon or biomassing and starting over. I don't think CCP would lose a lot of subs with a respec option just from the lack of needing a second toon. Most, if not all of us have a second toon out of necessity. Capital cyno's, Warfare Links, etc. We might see a lot of people ragequit because they simply cannot handle change and think they are losing some sort of advantage if a respec option was made available...but I think that would be the limit of lost subs. Would CCP gain more subs with a respec option? I doubt it would increase the rate at which new players try the game...a free to play option would do that. But it would help with retaining more players that would otherwise leave due to the lack of a respec option once they realized they screwed their toon and it would take another several months to catch up to where they want to be.

What if the respec option was limited to the skill category the skills are in? In other words...missile launcher SP stays in the missile category. Engineer SP stays in the Engineering category. Navigation SP stays in the Navigation category, and so on. Granted this would still allow a player to go from being a full Caldari toon to a full Gallente toon or whatever but at least you couldn't go from being a miner or trade toon to a full combat toon.

Oh look at that....I do believe hes mad bro.