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Community HATES thought of FtP but their actions push CCP that way

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#61 - 2012-02-13 21:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
OP is right on the money.

The ASSHATS forget that the VAST majority of EVE players are Casual Players with little or limited time, but they pay anyway for the social aspects of Corps and other socially amenable activities, like Mining.

CCP is not stupid enough to NOT be aware of this....and that is a playerbase they will not lose, because they cannot afford to.

Believe me, the 'higher ups' take all this Nullbear and PewBear CRAP with an entire shaker of salt.............

And they let them THINK they might have a chance of getting their way by being on the Shadowplay that is the CSM.

If CCP truly listened to them, Macks would have zero resists and no mid-slots and no drone bay by now.

And you are right OP. IF things are pushed too far by the Nullbears and Pewbears....unfortunate rules will be put in place. Sh-- Happens when rules are abused....more restrictive rules come down, game gets nerfed utterly, and everybody loses with the now boring gameplay. They will have shot themselves in the foot with their lust for HighBear blood.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-02-13 21:48:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
OP is right on the money.

The ASSHATS forget that the VAST majority of EVE players are Casual Players with little or limited time, but they pay anyway for the social aspects of Corps and other socially amenable activities, like Mining.

CCP is not stupid enough to NOT be aware of this....and that is a playerbase they will not lose, because they cannot afford to.

Believe me, the 'higher ups' take all this Nullbear and PewBear CRAP with an entire shaker of salt.............

And they let them THINK they might have a chance of getting their way by being on the Shadowplay that is the CSM.

If CCP truly listened to them, Macks would have zero resists and no mid-slots and no drone bay by now.

And you are right OP. IF things are pushed too far by the Nullbears and Pewbears....unfortunate rules will be put in place. Sh-- Happens when rules are abused....more restrictive rules come down, game gets nerfed utterly, and everybody loses with the now boring gameplay. They will have shot themselves in the foot with their lust for HighBear blood.

I cannot tell you how ******* happy it makes me to see someone else say this...

Thank you God! There is hope for humanity after all!

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#63 - 2012-02-13 21:52:05 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


The ASSHATS forget that the VAST majority of EVE players are Casual Players with little or limited time



Citation please.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#64 - 2012-02-13 21:55:56 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


The ASSHATS forget that the VAST majority of EVE players are Casual Players with little or limited time



Citation please.



Just the SCALE of industry itself. Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......................................Roll

Do your own API pulls.

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Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-02-13 21:56:00 UTC
EvE has endured and mostly grown all these years because CCP have, for the most part, stayed true to their original vision.

I've played several F2Ps and I'm absolutely positive that model just wouldn't work here without overhauling some very fundamental mechanics and likely alienating most of their current customer base. PLEX is probably as close as we're ever going to get.

Also, F2Ps are way more expensive than sub games if you don't want to be gimped in critical ways.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#66 - 2012-02-13 22:05:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Hunng Ibruin wrote:
I'v I do not intend to offend and my tone isn't one of accusation but just clam reflection.


ROFL. Typo of the day OP ! They do just kinda lie there all day........

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#67 - 2012-02-13 22:23:21 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


The ASSHATS forget that the VAST majority of EVE players are Casual Players with little or limited time



Citation please.



Just the SCALE of industry itself. Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......................................Roll

Do your own API pulls.



Not my job to research others claims. I'll just mark it down as non factual for the time being.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#68 - 2012-02-13 22:31:51 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


The ASSHATS forget that the VAST majority of EVE players are Casual Players with little or limited time



Citation please.



Just the SCALE of industry itself. Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......................................Roll

Do your own API pulls.

Clearly all industry is done in hisec by people with limited time. Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......................................Roll

Cite your source or stfu.
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-02-13 22:32:43 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Not my job to research others claims. I'll just mark it down as non factual for the time being.


No, it's your "job" to troll forums and derail anything that threatens your little pixel sand castle.

That said, you guys are all a little new? The game is 8 years old, nothing has changed. Bad behaviour has always been rewarded in EVE 500% more than honor or integrity. CCp have managed for 8 years without ever implementing a mechanic (not an employee) that allows the game to thrive in civility. The Null Bears and pew Bears have full backing by CCP.

The rest of EVE are seen as usefull idiots.

This is EVE. Adapt or GTFO.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#70 - 2012-02-13 22:35:01 UTC
Quote:
They all state their steadfast hatred against free to play and the revenue model that accompanies it.


Eveonline has the best free to play model IMHO. Since it is different than other companies models, people are in vehement denial. I have several friends who have never payed a penny to play and never will. I have paid for eve, but only 1 GTC per account. 84 months of gameplay for the price of 6. Thats one hell of a deal.

I realize that its almost impossible play Eve completely free without being grandfathered in, but it has been done before, and it is quite easy to do if you are (grandfathered in).

With the 60 day trial keys that were given out, it would be exceedingly simple to play for free. I just got my youngest brother into the game with one of those and he already wants a 2nd account, and will be able to pay for it himself within 90 days.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#71 - 2012-02-13 22:40:44 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:

Not my job to research others claims. I'll just mark it down as non factual for the time being.


No, it's your "job" to troll forums and derail anything that threatens your little pixel sand castle.



How was that deviating from the conversation or trolling? He made a comment about the majority of people not having the time to play eve and I asked in a nice tone for a citation to said claim. I did not berate him. I did not belittle him. I asked for one simple citation.

Also I do not have a pixel sand castle so nothing is threatened on my end.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#72 - 2012-02-13 22:44:12 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
They all state their steadfast hatred against free to play and the revenue model that accompanies it.


Eveonline has the best free to play model IMHO. Since it is different than other companies models, people are in vehement denial. I have several friends who have never payed a penny to play and never will. I have paid for eve, but only 1 GTC per account. 84 months of gameplay for the price of 6. Thats one hell of a deal.

I realize that its almost impossible play Eve completely free without being grandfathered in, but it has been done before, and it is quite easy to do if you are (grandfathered in).

With the 60 day trial keys that were given out, it would be exceedingly simple to play for free. I just got my youngest brother into the game with one of those and he already wants a 2nd account, and will be able to pay for it himself within 90 days.



I've always have enjoyed this pay model. I also have had friends who never have put a dime into the game. Earning the isk for the plex is really easy and can be accomplished within half a month if not sooner.

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oustade Habalu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-02-13 23:06:56 UTC
Its funny how people use terms like bears and PVE, PVP and so on... The thing is everyone with no exception is all that.

How is it possible to loose ship after ship?

Where does the power houses of EvE get their income from?

What do you do in order to build a ship? That being in HS, LS or NULL...

Everyone just needs to get a grip, we are all a bunch of everything, do not come to the forum or anywhere else and say otherwise, you will only make yourself look even dumber than your in-game actions.

Another interesting speculation is, for the most part everyone has alts in NPC, its hilarious how someone can be so Hypocrite as to even down talk about any NPC, we all have use them.

There are no stats that can in “truth” represent what type of players are in greater numbers, if you ask yourselves why, there is a simple answer to that, that being, “for the most part we all cheat, lie and kanive against one another, we pretend to be... Doesn't matter all those pretty reports with percentages in them about population in HS, LS or Null, No one, CCP included can clearly say what player is what...

As to CCP, well, they just go with the flow, they do as what most of us do, pretend...
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-02-13 23:17:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Again, the game is 8 years old. CCP support the pew pew bears, they support the null bears. They have for 8 years. it's not a friendly game for Industrial alts. Its not a friendly game period. Its about meta wars, Alt wars, shanking people and if you see it any other way, you are just another victim getting in line. Will it all kill EVE in the end? I hope so. It deserves it. Reap what you sow.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#75 - 2012-02-13 23:25:03 UTC
oustade Habalu wrote:
Its funny how people use terms like bears and PVE, PVP and so on... The thing is everyone with no exception is all that.

How is it possible to loose ship after ship?

Where does the power houses of EvE get their income from?

What do you do in order to build a ship? That being in HS, LS or NULL...

Everyone just needs to get a grip, we are all a bunch of everything, do not come to the forum or anywhere else and say otherwise, you will only make yourself look even dumber than your in-game actions.

Another interesting speculation is, for the most part everyone has alts in NPC, its hilarious how someone can be so Hypocrite as to even down talk about any NPC, we all have use them.

There are no stats that can in “truth” represent what type of players are in greater numbers, if you ask yourselves why, there is a simple answer to that, that being, “for the most part we all cheat, lie and kanive against one another, we pretend to be... Doesn't matter all those pretty reports with percentages in them about population in HS, LS or Null, No one, CCP included can clearly say what player is what...

As to CCP, well, they just go with the flow, they do as what most of us do, pretend...


I like this post, very truthful.

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Dai DIEDIEDIE
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-02-14 00:06:17 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Will it all kill EVE in the end? I hope so. It deserves it. Reap what you sow.

I hate to break it to you bud, but Eve has been running for 8 years and is still trucking. It was here a long time before you started playing and will still be here long after you have left to play pandas with Mr T and Chuck Norris.
Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2012-02-14 00:30:17 UTC
tl;dr

FTP? Isn't that the flower delivery company? Why would anyone possibly hate a flower delivery company? That's just weird....
Serene Repose
#78 - 2012-02-14 00:33:45 UTC
You, Sir OP Guy, are woefully mistaken. Sift through your wall of text and you end up with,

"FTP with MT occurs at the corporate whim with regard to profit margin."

All your other assertions are but doo doo ka ka and a waste of perfectly good bandwidth.

Brought to you as a public service by People Against Wasting Perfectly Good Bandwidth. All rights reserved.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Ai Shun
#79 - 2012-02-14 00:53:25 UTC
2bhammered wrote:
F2P or B2P or 50 different variations of those are the new business models and soon there wont be any games with required monthly subscription, ever.


Once you remove the subscription and change the game to F2P; how do you want CCP to make money off the product to pay their teams?

Should they replace the subscription / PLEX revenue with a micro-transaction model? There are two problems there. I don't believe a vanity approach to MT would replace their income sufficiently. This is not a game like Age of Conan or other where dress up dollies are at the core of the gameplay. (It is mostly optional at the moment) And once you start introducing a different class of modules for money; the players who understand and love EVE will quite likely ditch it like the sloppy pig it has become.

Should they allow a restricted F2P with a premium subscription option? Whilst it is a possibility; the very nature of this sandbox game, the design of skills and training and the way everything is structured would seem to argue against this. Only able to train up to Cruisers? T2? Only allowed to use Tech 1 modules? What about only able to train to Rank III? It seems like this type of approach would go against the concept and if it is made too strong you create an incentive for players to not subscribe and simply use a free option.

To my mind; I don't think the structure of EVE or the community that love EVE is setup for a F2P or similar model. It works well for other games; but those games are not EVE Online. Not even close.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#80 - 2012-02-14 01:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Ai Shun wrote:


Should they allow a restricted F2P with a premium subscription option? Whilst it is a possibility; the very nature of this sandbox game, the design of skills and training and the way everything is structured would seem to argue against this. Only able to train up to Cruisers? T2? Only allowed to use Tech 1 modules? What about only able to train to Rank III? It seems like this type of approach would go against the concept and if it is made too strong you create an incentive for players to not subscribe and simply use a free option.



This model would require a ton of restrictions. Without the restrictions any average Joe with a couple of pc's could make about 30 mining accounts and field some massive ore mining expeditions granted there is any ore left in high sec when everybody jumps on this bandwagon. Scam alts would become a dime a dozen as well. Once the scam is done just create a new alt and move along (not to mention the fact you could be leading a dozen scams in a dozen systems at one time)

What would all those restrictions be? Inability to trade with subscription accounts? Can only train up to T1 cruiser and limited to L2's? Restricted to .8 -1.0 systems? Advanced skills a no go?

I think this is part of what I enjoy about Plex now. CCP still gets their money, one player gets isk quick to fund his lifestyle, and another player essentially plays for free with all the equalities as the next man. It's a win-win-win for everybody.

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