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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#81 - 2012-02-12 18:33:27 UTC
Nephilius wrote:
I've done it, I actually run lvl 4s faster in a raven than a Tengu. Frigate rats are easy, that's what drones are for, and cruise missiles wreck everything else. In a Tengu, Bs rats are an exercise in grinding.
Then you were doing something wrong. BS rats in a Tengu is an exercise in swift mass murder — it's the frigates (and some quicker cruisers) that take time since you have to switch to more precise missiles.

20 minutes is not particularly unreal.
Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-02-12 18:49:06 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

Forever is a long time.

My Bouncer II's, Curator II's, and Warden II's tend to one-shot elite frigs at 40-80km...

YMMV.

this happens when they mwd to you, sure. try doing that when they orbit you.
Maxious
Dragon Knights of EvE
#83 - 2012-02-13 12:34:31 UTC
Hi there and thanks for replying. I think that not many people understood my original post or I did not make it clear when I said "And this is even after I put my armour restance to over 80% to the damage type being delt." that I am using mission specific Hardeners.  But I mostly just feel overwhelmed sometimes. Just soloing an epic arc at the moment and they have 3 different damage types but within a few seconds of warping in I have to run away because my armour is going down. Even with 3 running full pelt. And I've been told this is equilivent  to level 4 mission. However my fit is 3 reps. 4 hardeners, sometimes 2 x 2 if their are only  2 types. But I try to get the hardener resistance to 80% or over. I guess I'm just not focusing on the mission as much as I should be. Let's see if we can get those resistance to over 90%
I'm trying a new refit that takes out two cap rechargers for drone link and an afterburner. Adding in cap boosters for extra help. I'll only be able to sustain 1 repair but with the cap boosters I should be able to keep 2 going for some time. Also going to keep a warp stabiliser in low slot as a just in case. Or might replace it with something that can increase cap recharge if I can find it or another hardener. 

As for drones. Well I think i got them down to a T. 5 sentrys for sniping ships far of. Meds for small ships up close and heavys for bigger battle ships. Big drone fan as I don't really use guns. All T2 and each group has a mix of all types

But I do think when it comes to mission 4 running I'm going to need to focus on the mission outlines more. I've got the websites to help with that. 
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-02-13 12:57:31 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
OP - wait, what... FIVE years and you still don't know how to fit a ship? WoT is that way ----->

Pretty much this. Sad story.
Izziee
University of Izziee
#85 - 2012-02-13 14:02:15 UTC
Maxious wrote:
Please no BS now. Serious question. I've been soloing level 3's now with ease in my Dom ship full up on cap rechargers and armour repairs. Armour tanking and only using drones. Been using drones and armour tanking for 5 years and has always been good for me. But I see people taking level 4 missions with ease. Shield tanking with no problems as I pick of the targets with my drones. But when I try level 4 solo I always get overwhelmed. Running 2 large armour repairs Tec 2 can't keep up with the bombardment. 3 however will but the cap drain is too much and can't hold out for more than a few. And this is even after I put my armour restance to over 80% to the damage type being delt.

But now I think after all this time I might give something else a try. Put my dom away and my drones to sleep. What would you recommend for level 4 solo mission runnings? What ship, fit and skills to level 5?


Seriously, if you can't do L4's in a domi, I doubt there's much else you would be able to. Sure, a rattlesnake, but that's a domi basically.

Missions are boring, but their easy. I started out in a domi, and even as a new pilot I found them easy in a T1 fitted dual repper. The only thing is, the domi is so freaking ugly, I couldn't stand it anymore. I tried it in a mael, and to start with the damage was frightening, but so was my DPS. I trained up to a fully T2 fit mael and can do one of the big L4's in 10-20 minutes. Still though, my old T1 domi could tank better (In all fairness, my domi was tank fitted, my mael pure dps). While my domi is T2 nowadays, I don't use it since it's just so slow

but, missions are boring anyway.

Your problem can be one of a few things

Terrible fit
Terrible pilot
Lazy pilot

If you have a terrible fit, you're not going to last long.

If you're a terrible pilot, you're not going to last long.

If you're lazy...guess what.

Being lazy is dangerous. Keep your drones on aggressive? There's your problem. You're hitting anything and can end up pulling the whole room. Don't read Eve survival? Then it's your own fault, you're not knowing which ships to hit and guess what...end up pulling the whole room.

But hey, even in a domi there shouldn't be much trouble taking on a whole room with the right resists and dual rep cap stable.

If you want to do missions faster, likelyhood is, your ship won't be as good a tank. Plus side, you kill things faster and thats the best tank there is...empty room = no dps.

You need to study the missions, learn what the triggers are and take them one at a time. Use the correct drones (If you're too lazy to call back your heavies for frigs, there's a big problem). Personally, kill the frigs first and lead up to the battleships last, for most missions anyway.

But again, missions are boring. Good to make some isk if you want to pvp but generally, their easy and don't need much thought process involved. I suggest fitting correctly, training the right skills and reading your mission and fitting out correctly for EACH mission, not just running all in the same fit.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#86 - 2012-02-13 14:32:14 UTC
Maxious wrote:
Hi there and thanks for replying. I think that not many people understood my original post or I did not make it clear when I said "And this is even after I put my armour restance to over 80% to the damage type being delt." that I am using mission specific Hardeners.  But I mostly just feel overwhelmed sometimes. Just soloing an epic arc at the moment and they have 3 different damage types but within a few seconds of warping in I have to run away because my armour is going down. Even with 3 running full pelt. And I've been told this is equilivent  to level 4 mission. However my fit is 3 reps. 4 hardeners, sometimes 2 x 2 if their are only  2 types. But I try to get the hardener resistance to 80% or over. I guess I'm just not focusing on the mission as much as I should be. Let's see if we can get those resistance to over 90%
I'm trying a new refit that takes out two cap rechargers for drone link and an afterburner. Adding in cap boosters for extra help. I'll only be able to sustain 1 repair but with the cap boosters I should be able to keep 2 going for some time. Also going to keep a warp stabiliser in low slot as a just in case. Or might replace it with something that can increase cap recharge if I can find it or another hardener. 

As for drones. Well I think i got them down to a T. 5 sentrys for sniping ships far of. Meds for small ships up close and heavys for bigger battle ships. Big drone fan as I don't really use guns. All T2 and each group has a mix of all types

But I do think when it comes to mission 4 running I'm going to need to focus on the mission outlines more. I've got the websites to help with that. 


Dude, faction (NOT Sisters of EVE) Epic Arc missions are meant to be tougher than Lvl4s. Roll
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-02-13 14:50:10 UTC
Like others have said Domi with 2x LAR and mission specific hardners should be fine.
The thing that always gets me is "try moving" even slight movement mitegates decent damage.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#88 - 2012-02-13 18:12:49 UTC
Maxious wrote:
Please no BS now. Serious question. I've been soloing level 3's now with ease in my Dom ship full up on cap rechargers and armour repairs. Armour tanking and only using drones. Been using drones and armour tanking for 5 years and has always been good for me. But I see people taking level 4 missions with ease. Shield tanking with no problems as I pick of the targets with my drones. But when I try level 4 solo I always get overwhelmed. Running 2 large armour repairs Tec 2 can't keep up with the bombardment. 3 however will but the cap drain is too much and can't hold out for more than a few. And this is even after I put my armour restance to over 80% to the damage type being delt.

But now I think after all this time I might give something else a try. Put my dom away and my drones to sleep. What would you recommend for level 4 solo mission runnings? What ship, fit and skills to level 5?


I personally trained an alt for a little over four months in all the requisite skills to pwn any level 4 mission in the game with a Dominix. It was a dual-rep setup with Imperial Navy reps. Worth their weight in gold. Literally. They're pretty much a license to print ISK.

The few missions which can put down a TII dual-rep Dominix fail to get through the extra oompf of those puppies.

Admittedly, I was clever with my remaps and this saved me considerable time. Look at the trainings required and plan this out, don't just spazz through it. You can tank level 4's.

Apart from that I maxed my Drone Interfacing, Drone Sharpshooting, and Sentry Drone Operation. Drones V, Heavy Drones V, Combat Drone Operation IV, Drone Durability IV, Drone Navigation IV, all specs IV, etc.

I also stopped Gallente BS and Armor Repair Systems at 4 for temporal reasons, ironically enough.

Sentry drones are your friend. Always carry a set, and kill frigates with them whenever they spawn at range.

A few missions will require you to set up first, by entering, avoiding aggro (or tanking it) while you get in position to not aggro everybody.

Basically, anybody who's six months old in Eve has no excuse for not being able to take on level 4's. The Dominix is a beast.

All this being said my alt is all but retired. Turns out Dominixes pwn Havens too.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-02-13 18:41:44 UTC
martin louis wrote:
Something odd is going on here.

Agreed. And it involves me, a rubber chicken and a jar of lube...
BeforetheStorm90
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-02-13 21:40:27 UTC
Maxious wrote:
I'm trying a new refit that takes out two cap rechargers for drone link and an afterburner. Adding in cap boosters for extra help. I'll only be able to sustain 1 repair but with the cap boosters I should be able to keep 2 going for some time.


Why are you putting an afterburner on? A properly skilled/fitted Domi can just sit and take the damage. Furthemore, you have to stay still in order to scoop sentries. Also, cap boosters are not necssary, as other have mentioned,, with cap rigs/cap rechargers you shoud be able to easily remain cap stable while running guns and duel reps.

Maxious wrote:
Also going to keep a warp stabiliser in low slot as a just in case.


DO NOT put warp stabilizers on a general high sec pve boat or pvp ship. It destroys your targeting, and it takes a slot that a truely useful module could be using. Never go into a combat situation without being willing to commit. It causes you to focus on your escape rather than your survival, which will always bite you in the butt.

Maxious wrote:
As for drones. Well I think i got them down to a T. 5 sentrys for sniping ships far of. Meds for small ships up close and heavys for bigger battle ships. Big drone fan as I don't really use guns. All T2 and each group has a mix of all types


Tbh, I've always used lights for frigs, never having found meds to be effective against them. And do you mean that you've been putting one of each drone type into your flights? Don't do this. The DPS is not comparable to using a full flight of drones of the proper damage types or all gallente drones.

And I must ask one more question. Why have you not joined a player cooperation that will teach you these things? That is the very best way to learn, and this is stuff you really ought to have learned years ago.
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-02-13 21:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
I can solo 10/10 Anomalies/Escalations.

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Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#92 - 2012-02-13 23:20:06 UTC
Since you have drone skills, just get yourself a Rattlesnake and fit it for omni rez / full passive shld regen.

I have 1 fit for lvl 4s; never switch out hardeners because it's not necessary when you have all the skills maxed out.

You can aggro full rooms, drop sentry and go afk doing random **** around your house. Come back, scoop drones, complete mission....
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#93 - 2012-02-13 23:25:37 UTC
Not me apperanlty, just lost another dominix to a bunch of npcs sigh :(

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Borun Tal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2012-02-14 00:24:09 UTC
I use Tengu or SNI personally. Fast frigates are a pain in the Tengu if I let them get in close (no drones), but otherwise no big deal. Tank for opponent, and no, I don't use cheat sites (like eve-survival). The mission description usually tells you what you need to know to tank.

If you do L4's with Domi, I can respect that. I wouldn't want to rely solely on drones for L4's...
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#95 - 2012-02-14 01:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
So I've been lurking in this thread because I am Minmatar and the only things I know about Hybrid guns is this:

Buff Hybrid Guns!!!!

Anyhow, I just remembered that I can actually fly a Domi if I want (Machariel pilot) so I went down to the local pawn shop (Amarr) and put one together with some spare parts(stripped a Thrasher for the guns), loaded it up with drones, and went on a level 4 mission which I was able to clear with the fit below (drones being mission specific).


[Dominix, USS Wolverine]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
100MN Afterburner II
X-Large Shield Booster II

Drone Link Augmentor I
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Drone Control Range Augmentor I

Now, it took a while, (long while, I wrote this post and EFTed the fit while waiting for this AFKmobile to finish up) and my drone skills are 'meh' but it is possible (the fit is cap stable with my skills and EFT says it is a 414 defense) to do a level 4 drunk, drugged, and stoned with a Domi with little to no fear of dying,

I'd have to say this is a troll thread, and if my rust loving, horrid fit, combat clueless @$$ can make it work, anybody should be able to.

-Mad

p,s, The ship name has a point in history should anybody be curious and google it.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#96 - 2012-02-14 01:45:38 UTC
I can but I don't want to anymore. Hell, I used to train new players on mission running. But after several years of mission running it gets so old you just want to puke. I never bought into the whole outfit for each mission idea either. My raven had the exact same build and used the exact same cruise missiles for each and every mission. It's gear was standard T2 gear except for some faction launchers (and one T2 launcher) and it's drones were all T1's, and I never had to warp out. It's more about just keeping an eye on your shields, knowing who the triggers are, and watching for the pesky things like scramblers.

After a while the Raven got so boring I started buying all kinds of battleships just to see what I could do with each one. The Hyperion ended up being a fairly fun ship to run in and my Domi ended up being a support vessel for corp mates in their missions.

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Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#97 - 2012-02-14 01:45:55 UTC
I can solo lvl 4 missions.
Incredible Lol
Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#98 - 2012-02-14 01:57:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Alxea
Bumblefck wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
lol Golem



Love using the torp Golem.

I want everything I kill to be within the 40km tractor range since I don't come back to missions to loot. I just pick up stuff while still fighting.

Most level 4 mission battleships can be two and three volleyed, and even some of the cruisers can be one volleyed.... A trio of repub fleet target painters works wonders on the smaller ships. Though I do of course just send drones out at the frigs.



I realise that the Golem can be very efficient at demolishing larger ships. However, most of your applied DPS will go to smaller ships (as there are simply more of them then battleships, generally speaking), so two points spring to mind:


- You will lose a lot of effective DPS without at least two (but preferably three plus) target painters, which leads me to...

- ...insane micromanagement. TP cycles are a bastard, and timing them with launcher firings is even more so. Worse, you very much have to count volleys if you are to reduce ammo/time wastage, and that couple with the tiny launcher capacity, means that you are flying what is effetively the worse marauder now (did anyone think that would ever be said?!)


Vargur is king, with the Paladin/Kronos a little bit behind, and those are only really second due to their fixed damage types. Yes, the Golem has selectable damage types but, for me, juggling all of this around to kill red crosses is just too insane.


Way back when I was running missions, I would use a faction fit rattler and passive tank any level 4. Was the best lazy bones ship I ever used. Before that I had a dual rep domi for everything else and a passive shield ishtar that could tank the therm and ken stuff stupidly easy as well as exp.

A golem is superior for picking damage type and torps with them bonused TP will 2 volly any rat battleship and one volly most smaller ships if your useing 2 TP at a decent level. My golem did about 1800 DPS OH and 1600 regular. Very close to 9000 a volly. It was funny how fast missions could be done in it.

I still make more isk in trade then in a mission. I gave up on grinding and trying to fix my sec status a LONG time ago.
Selinate
#99 - 2012-02-14 02:01:36 UTC
If you want to solo lvl 4's, pretty much any race's tier 2 or 3 BS class can solo it. In my Apocalypse, I could easily pull entire rooms and be fine for some of the mid-difficulty lvl 4 missions. However, I wouldn't recommend Amarr ships, since a problem arises with lasers only doing EM and thermal damage. It's slow as all hell to do a guristas mission with primarily EM and thermal damage.

Also, I have to mention that I would run like hell from missions. Find something else to do, unless you just REALLY like mindless grinding.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#100 - 2012-02-14 02:02:35 UTC
The Epic arcs (in places) have significantly higher DPS than regular L4s.

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