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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#21 - 2012-02-13 17:05:53 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Get the f*ck out of a hulk. Problem solved.

No mining vessel, no need to mine, run missions, at least those ship skills are useful in other endevours of EVE. Worst ******* ship in the game, all barges/exhumers should be removed...whoever the **** wants to tie themselves down like a goat to an asteroid belt and just die for someone else's entertainment is a moron.

True dat Lol Although I'm still a firm believer that mining in null sec isn't that bad, you just need sov and a relatively large alliance to do it. If CCP could buff ninja mining or mining that didn't require AFKing for hours that would be cool.

Nikk Narrel wrote:
I feel CCP should legalize Marij-uana inside the game, at least.

Compared to the dangerous side effects from drinking Quafe, weed is completely safe.

FIX THIS!
Cool

This thread is now about weed as an in game item.

Possible Side Effects:


  • Your character temporarily forgets very important skills.

  • Whilst under it's effects your ship must constantly be stocked with food stuffs and cigarettes, or your character will get grumpy and refuse to leave station.

  • Everything on screen suddenly looks at least 20% more pretty and full of wonder.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
KiLLerSpyder
Know-Nothings
Negative Feedback
#22 - 2012-02-13 17:11:56 UTC  |  Edited by: KiLLerSpyder
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Let's look at the benefits of this shall we?

. No one will have to deal with the repetitiveness and boredom of mining or mission running

. Any cheaters who bot will no longer have an advantage over honest players who want to play the game normally

. CCP make more money from bot accounts being made

. CCP can properly regulate bots and go after illegal ISK sellers since they will have more support

. People can code their own bots and put it out for free, CCP devs could also code some standard ones for people

. No one will really feel the need to buy ISK anymore because they can play EVE way more casually and not have to stare at a computer screen for hours to make sure they don't die while making ISK

. Very little of the game would need to be changed to accommodate people who can't be bothered spending months of their lives grinding for something that isn't even going to get them anything in real life i.e. people who have lives

. CCP can focus more on adding stuff in the game and improving the gameplay rather than catching bots constantly, it will save them a lot of money


This is nothing but laziness, play a game without playing a game! I dont get it, you want to earn the money without doing the work, I bet youre one of those kind of guys that go to work and stay on a break all day long! Not meaning to be rude but this is kinda the same thing, you want it handed to you as oppose to doing the work
Valei Khurelem
#23 - 2012-02-13 17:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Laziness? In a video game? *gasp* *SHOCK*

..... You mean?!

Someone actually wants to have fun in one after paying money to a games company?!

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Mag's
Azn Empire
#24 - 2012-02-13 17:38:07 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Laziness? In a video game? *gasp* *SHOCK*

..... You mean?!

Someone actually wants to have fun in one after paying money to a games company?!
Because bots are all about fun?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#25 - 2012-02-13 17:42:23 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Laziness? In a video game? *gasp* *SHOCK*

..... You mean?!

Someone actually wants to have fun in one after paying money to a games company?!

If you aren't enjoying Eve, then go and play an easier game that you might actually enjoy. I've heard that hello kitty online is not only awesome, but also free to play.

In the mean time, while you download the hello kitty client, please don't ruin Eve for the rest of us.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Screenlag
Armaggedon Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2012-02-13 18:33:49 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:

. No one will really feel the need to buy ISK anymore because they can play EVE way more casually and not have to stare at a computer screen for hours to make sure they don't die while making ISK


2/10

for making me read to that points. Stopped reading there, I should've stopped sooner. I hope you do realize the massive inflation this will have, and two hours of grinding isk manually will equal a week's worth of time in afk grinding if everyone does it.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#27 - 2012-02-13 18:57:14 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
Get the f*ck out of a hulk. Problem solved.

No mining vessel, no need to mine, run missions, at least those ship skills are useful in other endevours of EVE. Worst ******* ship in the game, all barges/exhumers should be removed...whoever the **** wants to tie themselves down like a goat to an asteroid belt and just die for someone else's entertainment is a moron.

True dat Lol Although I'm still a firm believer that mining in null sec isn't that bad, you just need sov and a relatively large alliance to do it. If CCP could buff ninja mining or mining that didn't require AFKing for hours that would be cool.

Nikk Narrel wrote:
I feel CCP should legalize Marij-uana inside the game, at least.

Compared to the dangerous side effects from drinking Quafe, weed is completely safe.

FIX THIS!
Cool

This thread is now about weed as an in game item.

Possible Side Effects:


  • Your character temporarily forgets very important skills.

  • Whilst under it's effects your ship must constantly be stocked with food stuffs and cigarettes, or your character will get grumpy and refuse to leave station.

  • Everything on screen suddenly looks at least 20% more pretty and full of wonder.

AWESOME!!

I would so love that, we could do Stoner Roams, and it would be really cool...

Fleet Commander 1: Wait... what do you mean I am outta missiles, no way dude! Wait... can I load some of this kernite stuff into a jet can, and throw that at em?

Fleet Commander 2: Dude, we must not be fighting, they shipped us some ore just now.... Uh, what do we give em in exchange... anyone got extra missiles or something?

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#28 - 2012-02-13 19:43:15 UTC
Um... In before this thread is locked for trolling. Botting would discourage those who play on a laptop that moves with them (can't bot 23/7 like most would); it would disadvantage those without their own computer or those with limited bandwith; it would also make ISK meaningless once and for all, and would destroy the game.

Hmmm, let's have a game where all the rewards you get come from leaving your computer on all day while you're at work, you come home and can now buy anything you want, because your bot has been farming incursions for you.

Please biomass yourself immediately after you send me your ISK and contract me your stuff.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#29 - 2012-02-13 19:46:35 UTC
I recommend the OP try Progress Quest.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#30 - 2012-02-13 20:08:44 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
I recommend the OP try Progress Quest.

I let that thing run for days, I think it was 10 years ago. I forget the details, but it was at goofy sounding gear, like phased plasma forcefield sword of doom, or something.

Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked...
Agustice Arterius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-02-13 20:10:34 UTC
I personally find it funny

I can buy characters with any skill i want, negating the need to actually plan my own skills and learn my character

I can run multiple accounts, negating the need to actually make friends to get things done

i can sell plex, negating the need to actually go out and do things to make money

the only thing i can't do is have a script run my character while i'm at work

just funny to look at
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#32 - 2012-02-13 22:55:02 UTC
I most ardently hope OP, that this is a troll.

If troll:

9/10! (-1 for being a bit unoriginal, as this sort of dreck does come and go fairly often around here, but otherwise, masterfully executed--good job, keep it up!)

If serious:

Get the **** out of our game, and never return, you cheat-supporting parasite.

Botting is bad, OK? For the reasons stated extensively in this thread, and many others like it.

I can haz ur stuffs?

Ni.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#33 - 2012-02-13 23:07:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Griptus wrote:
[preconceptions brought in from other MMOs, plus misconception of entitlement to make EVE like same]

The impetus for players to employ bots in the first place is that mining and missions don't yield enough in-game money for the time you spend doing it. I have a hulk with t2 strippers, t2 crystals, and max out mining skills and still I can't get more than about 1.5 million ISK per hour mining high sec ores, and I'm not about to take a 200 million ISK ship into low sec when the insurance only covers the exhaust pipe. At that rate, it takes about 20 hours to raise the 30 million isk it costs to replace a battlecruiser and, if you only have 2 hours a day to play Eve, it take about a week and a half.

[Whinging about CCP actually having the gall to protect their intellectual property and making a profit off of same]


And if you tear through 2h worth of level four missions--in hisec, by the way--then you can make 20 times the pittance you get from mining, plus whatever you can make from intelligently flipping LPs and/or loot + salvage if you use a Marauder.

If you can't make at least ISK 20mn/h from missioning, then you are doing something quite badly wrong.

And replacing that BC that couldn't quite slip by that last gate-camp takes at most, 2-3 2h play-sessions instead of a week of same. Ah but then, learning to mission efficiently, that actually requires ::effort:: and ::paying attention:: can't have that, now can we!

Mining is a dead profession because of botters, mate, did that ever occur to you?

Sorry, but you are doing it wrong, there's just nothing else to say to this...Roll

Ni.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#34 - 2012-02-14 07:54:09 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:

If you allowed bots what would be the point in actually playing the game for most folks. They might as well leave a bot doing it and, considering this is a computer game and as you rightly said has no benefit to real life, therefore not bother playing or paying themselves. Thus, the death of EvE.


Well done for finally getting what I've been saying about EVE Online and all games like it.


Hmm.... yes, I understand what you've been saying but I disagree with it. If you consider playing EvE (and other games like it) to be a pointless waste of time that would be improved by letting a bot do it you are, as I've previously stated, doing it wrong. Have you considered stopping playing computer games altogether or at least ones which require interaction with others? You don't appear to understand them or enjoy them so the only conclusion I can come to is that your time would be better spent doing something else.

Those of us that play and enjoy EvE don't consider it to be a "life skill" of any sort. We get little to nothing out of it other than the enjoyment of playing.

I mine in high sec whilst working. I like mining in high sec whilst not working as I find it relaxing. I tend to watch a film at the same time. At the moment there is at least some point to it as I can sell the minerals I process for a bit of isk. The more bots there are the more ore is mined and the lower the mineral prices go. The reason they're currently so low is due to bots. If you got your way eventually the only things mining would be bots. That's one profession that will be gone. "Who cares?" I hear you cry. Those people who enjoy mining. The fact that you seem incapable of seeing things from other people's perspective or perhaps you can but just don't care, shows that you lack something in the brain. It's an "I'm alright, Jack" approach. As long as you get what you want it's fine, right? Screw everyone else's game. Well, that doesn't cut it in an MMO. If everyone else left and you were on your own it would be no fun. There are REASONS why CCP doesn't just let bots become legal in the game and it's for the enjoyment of the players.

So in conclusion I would like to thank CCP for it's stance on botting and suggest a different pastime for you that I think would suit you better - My Little Pony. Because you are, after all, a bit pony.
Black Apok
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-02-14 08:27:24 UTC
so much trolling going on right now.
If it's not for sitting in front of your computer, wasting your time watching some pixels on your screen move...what what sake do you play eve online? To watch your virtual wallet go up and having a reason to tell yourself that you are not an utter failure?

If bots were to be allowed the entire industry section would loose it's meaning. Hell, the entire game would loose it's meaning. **** would become cheaper and cheaper, pvp guys could throw away more and more and the value of things would just go away.

it's not about making quick money. It's about enjoying the **** you do. For my part there is nothing more relaxing than being on TS with my allyamtes, chit chatting about whatever at 2am and watch some mining ship get ressources. But if I did that all day I'd go nuts of cause.

You should like what you are doing in EVE. It's a virtual mirror of who you are IRL. And for fucks sake, if you don't like mining, stop mining rather than use a bot to do it for you.
If in real life you dont like your job, you quit it and get a new one instead of building a robot to do it for you while you get all the benefits from the money and free time. Would your life still have any meaning? same applies for eve. Making bots legal and a deep structure in the game or w/e will ruin what it is today.

So with all due respect. If you want bots to become a larger parts of eve...you should probably just stop playing it.
Oh..and can I have your stuff? :P

I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#36 - 2012-02-14 13:45:56 UTC
Black Apok wrote:
u.
If in real life you dont like your job, you quit it and get a new one instead of building a robot to do it for you while you get all the benefits from the money and free time.

Almost with you the whole way, but for this.

Actually, if you don't like your RL job and you can build a machine to do it for you and still collect all the benefits, darn tootin' that's what you do!

But that is because in RL the benefits aren't necessarily from the doing of the task but rather the end result of the task.


Since the benefit of a game is in the playing of it, having a bot play it for you is just crazy.

It's more like hiring someone to take martial arts lessons for you.

http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs
Aggressive Nutmeg
#37 - 2012-02-15 05:15:51 UTC
ILikeMarkets wrote:
I feel like I'm looking at an RL "Legalize Marij-uana" argument. You have the guy who comes in saying "Legalize it!" and announcing all of the benefits it has and pointing out the lack of real detriments. Then you have all the anti-legalization people who come in repeating what they read online, regardless of any real factual evidence to back it up, and get huffy at the idea of someone actually wanting it to be legalized. Then the topic moves on and it is still illegal.

Keep fighting, bro! Down with the system!

Bad example, because there is solid, medical evidence of the severe consequences of regular dope use: http://www.drugs.health.gov.au/internet/drugs/publishing.nsf/content/marijuana

Sorry, hippies and lefties. You'll have to 'stick it to the system' some other way.

Oh, and botting is bad.

But hunting bots in deep nullsec is good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBI9Od55HzA

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Black Apok
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-02-15 07:20:33 UTC
Buzzy Warstl wrote:

Almost with you the whole way, but for this.

Actually, if you don't like your RL job and you can build a machine to do it for you and still collect all the benefits, darn tootin' that's what you do!

But that is because in RL the benefits aren't necessarily from the doing of the task but rather the end result of the task.


Since the benefit of a game is in the playing of it, having a bot play it for you is just crazy.

It's more like hiring someone to take martial arts lessons for you.


Well no of cause you can't build a robot lol but if you could. I was mentioning it because I lived like that for about a year after I finished school and before I went to University. I got money from my parents, lived on my own and no responsibilities. It was great for a few weeks. But soon it all started loosing value.
Life just isn't worth anything if you don't have to work for it. It's like in Minecraft and Garrys Mod. I love Minecraft. Why? Because you do something rather boring which is mining so you can do something fun and creative which is crafting. In Garrys Mod you just create **** and there isn't this "wuhu" moment :P

And yes it'd be like sending somebody to take martial arts lessons for you XD
I hope you understand what I meant with the section in my original post ;) But glad to hear we're on the same page about this

I'm terrible at dates, but I could eat a peach for hours
Velicitia
XS Tech
#39 - 2012-02-15 12:04:33 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
...Ah but then, learning to mission efficiently, that actually requires ::effort:: and ::paying attention:: can't have that, now can we!


I'll see your ::effort:: and ::paying attention:: and raise you eve-survival Cool

Missioning in hisec requires no more effort/risk/whatever than mining. It just costs a little more time to get into (also, at the early stages, the loss of your boat). Personally, once I got "good enough" at missioning to run L3s with zero risk, they got boring and I didn't even bother going for L4 combat agents. So, I went back to mining, for something passive to offset little hiccups in the market when lowends wouldn't move fast enough.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Yumi Sagara
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-02-15 13:08:04 UTC
Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:
ILikeMarkets wrote:
I feel like I'm looking at an RL "Legalize Marij-uana" argument. You have the guy who comes in saying "Legalize it!" and announcing all of the benefits it has and pointing out the lack of real detriments. Then you have all the anti-legalization people who come in repeating what they read online, regardless of any real factual evidence to back it up, and get huffy at the idea of someone actually wanting it to be legalized. Then the topic moves on and it is still illegal.

Keep fighting, bro! Down with the system!

Bad example, because there is solid, medical evidence of the severe consequences of regular dope use: http://www.drugs.health.gov.au/internet/drugs/publishing.nsf/content/*********

Sorry, hippies and lefties. You'll have to 'stick it to the system' some other way.

Oh, and botting is bad.

But hunting bots in deep nullsec is good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBI9Od55HzA



Actually, ignoring the fact that you are completely trolling (no one is this stupid)... assuming you ARE this stupid, there is no scientific evidence to back up any of those claims, which is why they have the word "MAY" written in the phrase "The consequences of using marijuana may include: ". Feel free to actually provide real evidence to back up your claim, though.

Just calling out your troll. :)
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