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[Issue] Drone Anoms
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BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#1 - 2011-12-02 03:56:06 UTC
http://www.orderofatlas.com/eve/drone_hordes.pdf This spells it all out, however, it's quite long.

TL;DR - The "fix" applied to the drone hordes in Crucible was the only thing keeping them competitive with the rest of the regions. If this was in fact a bug or unintended game mechanic, then fixing it is fine, but something else should have taken it's place to balance drone regions. However, because drone region anoms weren't touched as part of the anom balancing project the effect this change had was a horrible nerf.

To put this into perspective, currently Sanctums in Angel space make about 1.3m isk/min/person. Drone Hordes made about 950k before patch and now make about 600k. In other words, you could double the amount of alloys a current drone battleship drops and it would still be below Angel space.

I've yet to see a CCP member respond to this issue. With the new direction the company is taking I would hope that, recognizing that Drone anoms weren't balanced the first time, they would reiterate on this issue and fix it in Crucible 1.1 (or whatever the next major update is). However, given CCP's past track record, I'm worried that this might not be the case. I would like CSM to bring up this issue among themselves and hopefully make it known to CCP.

Thanks
-BBK
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#2 - 2011-12-02 04:35:26 UTC
en lieu of a silly meme/otherwise clever statement

I'm just going to say, space is not equal, stop expecting it to be. If you want better space then go take it, else you need to accept that the fat girl you settled for will eventually age, get wrinkly and likely get even fatter
Jojo Yohan
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
#3 - 2011-12-03 01:52:46 UTC
It does seem weird that all of the other anoms were balanced (buffed) and all the drone regions got was a nerf.
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#4 - 2011-12-03 02:31:39 UTC
Perhaps incentive to.....

desire other space?
Midori Tsu
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#5 - 2011-12-03 04:04:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Midori Tsu
Maybe you should make a cartel on the minerals you get from the alloys.

Because thats the real problem here.

Drone anoms aren't a fixed ISK give out like the others, don't expect them to get buffed when the problem is the one your creating.

Your suggestion is really dumb because what you want will increase the amount of minerals taht would be produced from Drone anoms, there by causing the price to fall on them, there for once again causing the anom to not be as good as regular anoms. not to mention this would wreck mineral prices.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#6 - 2011-12-03 05:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: BeanBagKing
Midori Tsu wrote:
Maybe you should make a cartel on the minerals you get from the alloys.

Because thats the real problem here.

Drone anoms aren't a fixed ISK give out like the others, don't expect them to get buffed when the problem is the one your creating.

Your suggestion is really dumb because what you want will increase the amount of minerals taht would be produced from Drone anoms, there by causing the price to fall on them, there for once again causing the anom to not be as good as regular anoms. not to mention this would wreck mineral prices.


I never meant that to be a suggestion, just the comment that they could double it and it still wouldn't pay out as much. This was to put into perspective how lacking they are compared to the other sites. The way I should have phrased it was "they could double the VALUE of these sites and it still wouldn't be the same". There are a lot of ways they could adjust this value. As I posted in another thread, I'll leave it up to CCP to balance it, I'm only pointing out the problem. Sorry if I phrased that to make it sound like I thought it was a proper fix.

I don't think making a cartel out of the minerals is a proper solution either. Assuming that drone alloys are really what is ruining the mineral market (I'm not certain they are or aren't, I'm not a market guy, and for all the talk I've seen I have yet to see numbers), thousands of pilots can't just sit on their minerals and hope that they double or more in value while they get no income, not to mention how the market would get flooded once they reached a valuable level. All this time hoping bots and other miners don't start making up the difference, preventing prices from even getting that high. Income is necessary just like anywhere else in the game. Any problem we are creating is out of necessity, we need isk, our sites give minerals. We turn minerals into isk and use that to pay sov bills, fit our ships, etc.

Again though, I'm only pointing out the problem. I really don't care how it's corrected, but seeing every region of Eve get balanced and CCP not even commenting on when (or if) they will do something with the drone regions doesn't fill me with hope.
Baaa Shakiel
Kinnah Incorporated
#7 - 2012-02-13 18:29:34 UTC
I believe "Drone-Mining" is the Issue here. Search it up on forums, I don't nearly know enough to elaborate on the matter.

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#8 - 2012-02-13 18:37:23 UTC  |  Edited by: mxzf
What you're still not getting is that doubling the drops from drones wouldn't do anything at all. Because pouring the extra minerals from those drops into the market would hurt the mineral market. So even though you'd be getting twice as much m3 out of it, you wouldn't be getting much more (if any) ISK.

The core issue here is that drones drop minerals as their primary reward. Once that's fixed, the issue will go away. Until then though, as Salazar said, either shut up or move somewhere else.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-02-13 18:44:18 UTC
mxzf wrote:
What you're still not getting is that doubling the drops from drones wouldn't do anything at all. Because pouring the extra minerals from those drops into the market would hurt the mineral market. So even though you'd be getting twice as much m3 out of it, you wouldn't be getting much more (if any) ISK.

The core issue here is that drones drop minerals in the first place. Once that's fixed, the issue will go away. Until then though, as Salazar said, either shut up or move somewhere else.


ALL rats drop minerals...

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mxzf
Shovel Bros
#10 - 2012-02-13 18:47:37 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
mxzf wrote:
What you're still not getting is that doubling the drops from drones wouldn't do anything at all. Because pouring the extra minerals from those drops into the market would hurt the mineral market. So even though you'd be getting twice as much m3 out of it, you wouldn't be getting much more (if any) ISK.

The core issue here is that drones drop minerals in the first place. Once that's fixed, the issue will go away. Until then though, as Salazar said, either shut up or move somewhere else.


ALL rats drop minerals...


Not all rats drop nothing but minerals though, most have bounties and only drop minerals in the form of modules. Maybe it wasn't as clear as it could have been, but my point is that rats dropping minerals as their only form of payout is the issue.