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Emoclew
BAMF's
#1 - 2012-02-13 17:32:42 UTC
Just a quick one. whats with the price rise of t3's in the last 3 months or so. from around 200-220 now there all 270+ (numbers are estimates dont be gettin picky with em). whats the reason for this?
El 1974
Green Visstick High
#2 - 2012-02-13 17:36:31 UTC
Prices across the board have gone up: Inflation.
Emoclew
BAMF's
#3 - 2012-02-13 17:45:33 UTC
almost 30% in roughly 3 months does not look like inflation Question
I only ask as im in the market for one and dont want them suddenly dropping back to just over 200
El 1974
Green Visstick High
#4 - 2012-02-13 18:08:25 UTC
Prices fluctuate, but there is a general trend upwards of ~1%/month according to CCP. There is a war going on which might affect certain ships more than others. Some minerals have gone up in price a lot, while others seem to be fairly constant.
Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#5 - 2012-02-13 19:37:01 UTC
With the massive ISK-faucet that comes in the form of Incursions, yes, around 30% is largely (although not only) due to inflation. Incursions are a nearly risk-free way to make 100m/hour in hisec; this has not happened before. Therefore, prices on most frequently used items are rising as ISK is literally dumped into the EVE Economy.

We desperately need some sort of ISK Sink that will combat incursions or ISK will continue to be worth less and less.
Rasz Lin
#6 - 2012-02-14 05:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rasz Lin
Tidurious wrote:
With the massive ISK-faucet that comes in the form of Incursions, yes, around 30% is largely (although not only) due to inflation. Incursions are a nearly risk-free way to make 100m/hour in hisec; this has not happened before. Therefore, prices on most frequently used items are rising as ISK is literally dumped into the EVE Economy.

We desperately need some sort of ISK Sink that will combat incursions or ISK will continue to be worth less and less.



this

CCP thinks that the best way to shut up complains is to give players stuff for no effort, even if that means destroying game economy in the long run :/
Tanith YarnDemon
Hypernet Inc.
Umbrella Chemical Inc
#7 - 2012-02-14 07:11:28 UTC
Tidurious wrote:
With the massive ISK-faucet that comes in the form of Incursions, yes, around 30% is largely (although not only) due to inflation. Incursions are a nearly risk-free way to make 100m/hour in hisec; this has not happened before. Therefore, prices on most frequently used items are rising as ISK is literally dumped into the EVE Economy.

We desperately need some sort of ISK Sink that will combat incursions or ISK will continue to be worth less and less.


Just to clarify, 100 mil / hour risk free is far from uncommon in highsec, the big difference is that incursion provide it through thin air. The 100 mil an hour is a direct injection of 100 mil from CONCORD into the economy. Compared to exploration or missions where the bulk of the reward is in LP or faction items.

Long story short, isk/h is irrelevant as long as it's not about injecting silly amounts of isk into eve.
malaire
#8 - 2012-02-14 08:22:55 UTC
Tanith YarnDemon wrote:
Tidurious wrote:
With the massive ISK-faucet that comes in the form of Incursions, yes, around 30% is largely (although not only) due to inflation. Incursions are a nearly risk-free way to make 100m/hour in hisec; this has not happened before. Therefore, prices on most frequently used items are rising as ISK is literally dumped into the EVE Economy.

We desperately need some sort of ISK Sink that will combat incursions or ISK will continue to be worth less and less.


Just to clarify, 100 mil / hour risk free is far from uncommon in highsec, the big difference is that incursion provide it through thin air. The 100 mil an hour is a direct injection of 100 mil from CONCORD into the economy. Compared to exploration or missions where the bulk of the reward is in LP or faction items.

Long story short, isk/h is irrelevant as long as it's not about injecting silly amounts of isk into eve.

Bad comparison. Bulk of mission income is direct ISK from bounties.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#9 - 2012-02-14 09:31:01 UTC
malaire wrote:
Tanith YarnDemon wrote:
Tidurious wrote:
With the massive ISK-faucet that comes in the form of Incursions, yes, around 30% is largely (although not only) due to inflation. Incursions are a nearly risk-free way to make 100m/hour in hisec; this has not happened before. Therefore, prices on most frequently used items are rising as ISK is literally dumped into the EVE Economy.

We desperately need some sort of ISK Sink that will combat incursions or ISK will continue to be worth less and less.


Just to clarify, 100 mil / hour risk free is far from uncommon in highsec, the big difference is that incursion provide it through thin air. The 100 mil an hour is a direct injection of 100 mil from CONCORD into the economy. Compared to exploration or missions where the bulk of the reward is in LP or faction items.

Long story short, isk/h is irrelevant as long as it's not about injecting silly amounts of isk into eve.

Bad comparison. Bulk of mission income is direct ISK from bounties.


Don't bite me as I have no time to go chisel the tiniest details with surgical precision.


I checked 2-3 random faction items sold from 40 to 70M. They require a 20K LP + 8M ISK.

A good mission would give like 30M in ISK and about 6.5-7k LP.

To buy one of those items you need about 3 missions. You get 90M ISK and about 20-21k LP that convert into 82M + one item that is worth 40-70M.

Now, this is a scale of about 2:1 to 1.17:1.

I would not call it "bulk", i.e. ISK income is not O(LP derived income), even in this crude review.

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malaire
#10 - 2012-02-14 09:38:28 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I checked 2-3 random faction items sold from 40 to 70M. They require a 20K LP + 8M ISK.

Maybe you work for better NPC corp than I did - or just know more.

That would be 1600-3100 ISK per LP. When I was doing missions the best LP items I could find only gave 1000-1300 ISK per LP.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#11 - 2012-02-14 09:49:31 UTC
malaire wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I checked 2-3 random faction items sold from 40 to 70M. They require a 20K LP + 8M ISK.

Maybe you work for better NPC corp than I did - or just know more.

That would be 1600-3100 ISK per LP. When I was doing missions the best LP items I could find only gave 1000-1300 ISK per LP.


Well, part of being a succesful missioneer is to selectively pinpoint the current "best ISK/LP" items.
It's why I had 3 marauder quality pilots covering 3 of 4 empires + 1 "science corps" alt able to grind the BPCs.

No surprise some claim they make 20M per hour while others 80M and so on.

The LP part becomes even more relevant in the income if a missioneer "blitzes" the missions, the income at that point turns to base reward + bounties for just 2-3 ships killed and all the rest is pure LP.

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malaire
#12 - 2012-02-14 10:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: malaire
Tanith YarnDemon wrote:
Just to clarify, 100 mil / hour risk free is far from uncommon in highsec, the big difference is that incursion provide it through thin air. The 100 mil an hour is a direct injection of 100 mil from CONCORD into the economy. Compared to exploration or missions where the bulk of the reward is in LP or faction items.

Long story short, isk/h is irrelevant as long as it's not about injecting silly amounts of isk into eve.

Back to topic, since I had some time to browse twitter.

During January 2012:
- 27.03tn ISK paid out in NPC bounty rewards
- 8.13tn ISK paid out in Incursion rewards
- 4.37tn ISK paid out in agent mission rewards
Source: http://twitter.com/#!/ccp_diagoras , 5th February

So NPC bounty rewards inject a lot more ISK into EVE than incursions - and that was what I meant to say in my earlier post but didn't have time to find stats at that time.

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kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-14 11:54:28 UTC
Those numbers don't say anything about the increase in ISK payouts
Hax Zoidberg
New Eden Shipping
New Eden Customs Enforcement
#14 - 2012-02-14 12:50:07 UTC
The rise in T3 strategic cruiser prices, specifically Tengus, is not caused by ISK inflation. Look at the traded volume of Tengus in Jita over the past year. There's been a significant increase in demand for them ever since PL introduced their Thundercats doctrine, and after other null-sec alliances copied them, it's led to regular 30-50 Tengu whelps in major battles.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#15 - 2012-02-14 14:27:09 UTC
Looks like some of the sleeper wrecks needed for T3 reverse engineering have gone up in price too. Which suggests the RNG god doesn't like them right now Blink Or so another thread suggests.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2012-02-14 16:11:20 UTC
Talk to us when the percentage increase matches something like what happened to Mining Foreman Mindlinks in the span of 2 days 18 months ago.....98,000,000 to 235,000,000.

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Mathis Athins
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-02-15 08:32:56 UTC
Hax Zoidberg wrote:
The rise in T3 strategic cruiser prices, specifically Tengus, is not caused by ISK inflation. Look at the traded volume of Tengus in Jita over the past year. There's been a significant increase in demand for them ever since PL introduced their Thundercats doctrine, and after other null-sec alliances copied them, it's led to regular 30-50 Tengu whelps in major battles.


This.

Also there is a new doctrine starting to get some use that relies on Lokis.