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The Voice of Reason Party to become the Rational Party
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Boyanskaya Delerium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-02-09 14:37:50 UTC
Jason TheDragon wrote:
Boyanskaya Delerium wrote:
Industry is what gives you goonies the chance to have fun, who else makes you ships, ammo, modules if not those "irrational" miner and industrialists. Sure there are NPC corps but those OP SOB (excuses the language) should have been delt with long ago.

I support the voice of reason, because next to tears , industry makes this sanbox turn. If there was no industry, who else would you gank, explode, molest, etc..

You need industry as much as you need O². Maybe not for the apparent reasons but if you think about it, you shall see, it does more than you originally would have thought.

Disclaimer: I have no idea if anything is true but I think it is. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I agree with you - industry is absolutely a lifeblood of the game, and I don't think you'll find a non-crazy person that will disagree with that.

What on earth does missions, ambulation and can flipping have to do with any of that, though? Those are apparently Issler's "key areas" as mentioned in this OP.


Well, as far as missioning, It has become boring, one toned and It hasn't really changed in a while (or I think that's the case). Just like mining, we feel that their is room for a change, maybe to spice things up a bit. Because as far as I've seen it is, you go in, alone or in fleet, blow stuff up and there you go. Nothing to it (sounds like what the goons do) You get a reward and on to the next one.

It become stagnant. Maybe the introduction of a higher level of difficulty compensated by a bigger reward. at least something can change there. aaaand, I don't really think can flipping should be adressed, for it is a way for PVP people to earn money wothout having to go to what they may refer to as 'irrational' things. Can flipping is the risk to the reward for miners (if that makes sense).
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#62 - 2012-02-09 19:13:49 UTC
I haven't offered any detailed plans to date. Of course the election really just began .

I've also said I don't think the CSM are meant to be game designers and I am seeking folks to join a council to come up with the best feedback to CCP related to the things I believe need some attention in Eve.

The highest priority in my more focused list is mining. I personally have all sorts of ideas and I've been sharing those for years.

All of these ideas are focused at making mining a more rewarding experience both in terms of potential profits and the fun the activity creates while you do it. I think you should always be able to do the relaxing mining we have today. A lot of folks like the low key nature of high sec mining. However I also beleive there should be a "next level" mining experience that is more active and dynamic. The new level of mining would make things like real time skill matter like it does in ship PvP. I would make optimized ship fitting more important. I would make mining go to "11"!

Examples of how this could happen could be any one of the following.

1. Comets - you scan them down have to actively navigate to them while the travel through the system and aim your lasers as you mine them. I would also like to see them provide moon minerals as well high end ores.

2. Make all fields dynamically spawned. CCP has discussed this for a long time. It is way overdue. We need the days of trying to be the first one to the belt after the respawn uptime to mine before it is stripped clean.

3. Compound astroids - Rocks with multiple minerals that you dynamically choose by controlling your lasers real time. You could choose what minerals you want to extract. It would be a trade off as taking one would "destroy" the others in the process.

4. Change the mining interfaces to make botting a lot harder. I believe there are things CCP could change in the client the would increase the difficulty of botting substantially and that with simple changes every patch break every bot that managed to get around the anti-botting measures.

The are my "Ideas" but again, I don't intend to be a game designer surogate for CCP. I am looking to the folks that join the council to harvest and create the best suggestions to pass along to CCP.

The party forums will be up and running this weekend as well as a web site and a blog. We will have specific forum sections for each area of focus to figure out the "best of the best" ideas.

As to the other areas, the huge thread on WiS shows there is interest in the Eve community in ambulation. I finally want someone on the CSM to make sure CCP keeps that fact in their planning.

As for missions and other PvE content, again, this is an area that feels stale and I've been told repeatedly folks want improvements in these experiences.

Finally, NPC corps are broken and it is time to make them fit more in the concept of risk/reward that is the basis of Eve.

Hope that helps move the discussions in a more productive direction from some of the "no ideas here, move along" comments that folks that didn't bother to read the other thread seemed to have made. I could have created a 14 page manifesto like other candidates have done but that misses the point. I'm not seeking to be the "all knowing all seeing oracle of Eve". I have seen areas in Eve that don't have adequate representation in the CSM and I want to address that gap. I am seeking to present CCP with what those players want, not what I want them to want.

Issler
Boyanskaya Delerium
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-02-09 21:05:41 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

4. Change the mining interfaces to make botting a lot harder. I believe there are things CCP could change in the client the would increase the difficulty of botting substantially and that with simple changes every patch break every bot that managed to get around the anti-botting measures.
Issler


This might have made some people angry.

Also
Issler Dainze wrote:
2. Make all fields dynamically spawned.


What does this mean exactly, any links?
Eli Grange
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-02-09 21:55:10 UTC
you are self proclaimed as the RAtional Party of Eve, this the perfect opportunity to address some of the more irrational parts of the space fantasy in which we all play.

An example the constant thrust from ships while it holds a constant speed. Casually explained as a side effect from the warp core, however A micro-warp drive which uses similar principle should produce this friction against space, slowing it down. This sort of thinking would be a boon to any CSM candidate, what is your opinion on this sort of thing?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#65 - 2012-02-09 22:17:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
Boyanskaya Delerium wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

4. Change the mining interfaces to make botting a lot harder. I believe there are things CCP could change in the client the would increase the difficulty of botting substantially and that with simple changes every patch break every bot that managed to get around the anti-botting measures.
Issler


This might have made some people angry.

Also
Issler Dainze wrote:
2. Make all fields dynamically spawned.


What does this mean exactly, any links?


So when I was in the CSM previously CCP was discussing making all asteroids spawn like they do in exportation sites. Right now the process is based on fixed locations that "refresh" as part of periodic database updates that happen over down time.

Using the newer mechanic would let belts re-spawn outside downtime and make the whole asteroid mix more flexible.

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#66 - 2012-02-09 22:26:46 UTC
Eli Grange wrote:
you are self proclaimed as the RAtional Party of Eve, this the perfect opportunity to address some of the more irrational parts of the space fantasy in which we all play.

An example the constant thrust from ships while it holds a constant speed. Casually explained as a side effect from the warp core, however A micro-warp drive which uses similar principle should produce this friction against space, slowing it down. This sort of thinking would be a boon to any CSM candidate, what is your opinion on this sort of thing?


I would be a fun exercise to go through Eve top to bottom and produce your basic Dr. Who level of scientific explanation for everything. I know some of has been done both by CCP and the community but there are still some things that defy logic and explanation. Smile

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#67 - 2012-02-09 22:34:17 UTC
Adding one more thing to the list of things I will drive if I am elected to the CSM 7, fixing the gorram forums!!!

Issler
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-02-13 17:43:21 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Issler Dainze,

I wish you lot's of luck and much success.

You have my vote.

Seems the little goonies are all worried, having resorted to doing a 'Hate' campaign with all the constant troll and spam attacks. Best to just 'report' and ignore them.

And yes, these forums not only need to be fixed, they definitely need to have better moderation as well.


DMC

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Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-02-13 19:21:55 UTC
What would you say to the idea of flying in space with our space barbies/pants? Like, I could fly a giant ship of myself. Maybe some kind of mining supercapital that literally eats asteroids and poops out ore? Or maybe I could punch POSes! I really like this idea, what do you think?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#70 - 2012-02-13 23:36:26 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
What would you say to the idea of flying in space with our space barbies/pants? Like, I could fly a giant ship of myself. Maybe some kind of mining supercapital that literally eats asteroids and poops out ore? Or maybe I could punch POSes! I really like this idea, what do you think?


Well, you really have something there (hint, you might need to tweak those space madness meds).

You need to immediately announce your CSM 7 candidacy!!

With the goon obsessions with "space barbies/pants" I expect you'll steal the chair from Mittens!! I know you'll get Lady Marmot's vote!

Issler
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-02-14 01:19:29 UTC
Look, I'm just looking for a compromise that will make everyone happy. You will get your dolls and pants but they will fly in space!

Alternately, what would you say to ships walking around in stations?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#72 - 2012-02-14 18:59:55 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Look, I'm just looking for a compromise that will make everyone happy. You will get your dolls and pants but they will fly in space!

Alternately, what would you say to ships walking around in stations?


Yup, your meds seem to need some adjustments.

SIS = Ships walking in stations...... your chances at the chair of CSM 7 grow with every post!

Issler
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-02-14 19:42:22 UTC
It's really hard to see how your refusal to compromise on your extremist views will be helpful if you do become elected to the Council of Stellar Management. Anyhow, what about being able to dress up ships? I'd like a bowtie on my Bestower, for example.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#74 - 2012-02-14 22:03:49 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
It's really hard to see how your refusal to compromise on your extremist views will be helpful if you do become elected to the Council of Stellar Management. Anyhow, what about being able to dress up ships? I'd like a bowtie on my Bestower, for example.


I suspect my insistence on sanity in my thinking may mean I can't represent you or any of the voices in your head. But I encourage you to run for the CSM 7 yourself!

Issler
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2012-02-14 23:43:44 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
It's really hard to see how your refusal to compromise on your extremist views will be helpful if you do become elected to the Council of Stellar Management. Anyhow, what about being able to dress up ships? I'd like a bowtie on my Bestower, for example.


I suspect my insistence on sanity in my thinking may mean I can't represent you or any of the voices in your head. But I encourage you to run for the CSM 7 yourself!

Issler


If I do, should I run as the nominee of the Voice of Rationality Party or the Reasonable Party?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#76 - 2012-02-14 23:56:57 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
It's really hard to see how your refusal to compromise on your extremist views will be helpful if you do become elected to the Council of Stellar Management. Anyhow, what about being able to dress up ships? I'd like a bowtie on my Bestower, for example.


I suspect my insistence on sanity in my thinking may mean I can't represent you or any of the voices in your head. But I encourage you to run for the CSM 7 yourself!

Issler


If I do, should I run as the nominee of the Voice of Rationality Party or the Reasonable Party?


The Rational Parties are Reasonable Party!

Issler
Caldari PI
Gallente Benevolence Association
#77 - 2012-02-15 01:16:52 UTC
Who will make the final determination as to the person to head the Party? By forming and renaming it are you the defacto candidate and the rest of this is window dressing to garner support? Are you considering actively recruiting from the smaller candidates that may fit the bill?
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#78 - 2012-02-15 01:59:33 UTC
Caldari PI wrote:
Who will make the final determination as to the person to head the Party? By forming and renaming it are you the defacto candidate and the rest of this is window dressing to garner support? Are you considering actively recruiting from the smaller candidates that may fit the bill?


I stated earlier in the thread that based on the math we would only run one candidate and no serious alternative has come forward. If someone would like to drive this instead of me we are running out of time.

So anyone out there interested? I certainly would consider another candidate if they were serious and looked more likely to be elected. We have some folks that have agreed to be part of the party council, we'll be announcing them soon.

Issler