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Kelduum Revaan - Running for CSM7

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Twisted Trucker
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#201 - 2012-02-12 22:13:20 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
I hope Kelduum gets elected as I want to see if Poetic Stanziel explodes Big smile


HEHE, hell yeah, splode dat whiney biotch!

If nothing else, he keeps bumping Kelduums thread's back to the top, by posting his absurd drivel...
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#202 - 2012-02-12 22:31:57 UTC
Brooson wrote:
Juicy Chanlin wrote:
Brooson wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Brooson wrote:
They say that "those who can't, teach"

Because all the knowledge and experience in the world is best received at the end of a club... Roll

True fact;
The Navy's "Top Gun" Air Combat Maneuvering school is "taught" by the best fighter jocks in the service.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_Strike_Fighter_Tactics_Instructor_program

So, that "truism" is anything but.

And, to put a >fine< point on it - if *anyone* doesn't like how the Uni teaches PVP - the Uni *does* allow outside people to come in and teach classes. But I suggest you bring plenty of instructors...Lol



Eve University is comparable to Top Gun, both institutions where you grow intimately attached to your wing-man.


And I assume there's no brotherhood in goon? it's each pilot out for themselves only?


We don't try to cover up homosexual relations by masquerading as brotherhoods. We accept all forms of love.



ROFL.. Dude.. you made me spit out my coffee!!!
Venus Rinah
Arcanum Industry
#203 - 2012-02-13 00:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Venus Rinah
Quick post Keldruum to say that I will be supporting you for CSM 7. Your measured and impartial stance represents my interests in principal.

I would encourage you to stay focussed on ideas and voter interests as opposed to fire fighting the obvious "drama queen" who seems to need a hug. Given the history and obstinance of the player despite rational attempts to placate needs, I don't think it's deserving of your energies, attention and focus.

You might need to give more trust to the idea that readers can clearly see the message of hate. And any real attempts of trying to make any sensible peace with them simply won't be reciprocated as they aren't interested in a resolution, they have already stated elsewhere that they consider it to be "fun" for them in their own sick way.

Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Fonz Willbert wrote:
But Poetic any point you make is ruined by 'boy who cried wolf' syndrome. Just get over your obsession with the uni.

No. It's fun.


Making any noble gesture of appeasement concessions to them will also be futile as they have no intention of relenting in their obsessive harassment. Also I think they probably can't discern any culpability for their actions as a character on the internet.

There has to come a point where trying to hit a "rubber wall with a hammer" seems futile, imho. As such my triage instinct tells me that the terminal condition to Poetic's hurt won't change despite all the hugs and hankies that's needed for the exercise.

Anyhow despite the "distraction", all the best for CSM 7 and hope to hear more of your ideas for the betterment of EvE.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2012-02-13 05:52:23 UTC
I'll be supporting Kelduum as well. Not because he's my CO, as that doesn't make much difference to me since I've never even talked with him, but because from everything I've read from the candidates that care about high sec, he seems to be the only one who isn't partial to any specific group. The only group where such claim could even be tried to make is the E-UNI corp itself, but as long as E-UNI itself continues being neutral and training all aspects of the game ranging from full on carebear stuff to PvP and scamming, that itself is proof enough that as both the leader of the uni and a cancidate for CSM, he is more than able to do the job.

While I agree that candidates like Hans Jagerblitzen or even Mittani appear much more knowledgeable about the game, at the same time they are not candidates I could back up. One seems hell bent on fixing faction war (even if it truly needs fixing), and seems belittling other real problems and the other... Well, let's just say that despite I usually end up agreeing with him 100% on almost every single issue, to me he appears as a person who can not and will not accept being wrong.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#205 - 2012-02-13 11:40:28 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
there's nothing wrong with being an eve-uni candidate, you have a big constituency and you should represent them and i expect you to win a seat, just don't opine on things you don't understand

Just one question then: Were you one of the CSM members "surprised" to find out that there were ABC's in WH space?

C/D?

just wondering....

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#206 - 2012-02-13 11:44:59 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
... but as long as E-UNI itself continues being neutral and training all aspects of the game ranging from full on carebear stuff to PvP and scamming ...

wait—EVE University endorses scamming now?

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#207 - 2012-02-13 11:56:02 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
... but as long as E-UNI itself continues being neutral and training all aspects of the game ranging from full on carebear stuff to PvP and scamming ...

wait—EVE University endorses scamming now?


Check your "straw man" potential before problems occur. Do you want to really ask if it is "endorse" or "recognise"?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#208 - 2012-02-13 12:03:31 UTC
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
... but as long as E-UNI itself continues being neutral and training all aspects of the game ranging from full on carebear stuff to PvP and scamming ...

wait—EVE University endorses scamming now?


Check your "straw man" potential before problems occur. Do you want to really ask if it is "endorse" or "recognise"?

It's not a question of definitions. During my stay at E-UNI, scamming was prohibited. That it is now part of the curriculum, if I am understanding what was said correctly, is news to me.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#209 - 2012-02-13 12:18:41 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
... but as long as E-UNI itself continues being neutral and training all aspects of the game ranging from full on carebear stuff to PvP and scamming ...

wait—EVE University endorses scamming now?


Check your "straw man" potential before problems occur. Do you want to really ask if it is "endorse" or "recognise"?

It's not a question of definitions. During my stay at E-UNI, scamming was prohibited. That it is now part of the curriculum, if I am understanding what was said correctly, is news to me.


It is very much a question of definitions.

Endorsing something implies you support it. Recognising something means you give validity to it existence. Completely different perspectives.

How do you know they don't simply offer advice of how to avoid scams? (P.S I don't know myself what the content is either, but then I'm not assuming here)
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#210 - 2012-02-13 12:21:54 UTC
I don't know, either. Which is why I asked. You know, asking a question? It's what you do to request information.

You seem dead-set on arguing anything you can with me.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2012-02-13 12:28:11 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
... but as long as E-UNI itself continues being neutral and training all aspects of the game ranging from full on carebear stuff to PvP and scamming ...

wait—EVE University endorses scamming now?


During my stay in the Uni, there has been classes such as the "skullduggery" class, which focus solely on how common scams are done. Teaching this by itself, does not endorse scamming as it's still very much prohibited for an uni member to scam, it simply is there to share the information about it. It is up to ourselves to decide what to do with that information, to use it to avoid being scammed, or to put it to practice once we leave the uni. Similarily there's been guest lecturers teaching about ganking, ninja salvaging and other such activities that are also prohibited for us members.

The way I see it, the uni is basically what you make of it. If you want to learn something from the game, it's there to teach you that. If a member opts to just stick around with the so called carebear stuff, that's their option too, but that is far from the only option that they offer. Pretty much the exact same words could be said of the game itself, you choose what you want to do with it, the only one who can put any long term restrictions on that is yourself.
Shazzam Vokanavom
Doomheim
#212 - 2012-02-13 12:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Shazzam Vokanavom
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I don't know, either. Which is why I asked. You know, asking a question? It's what you do to request information.

You seem dead-set on arguing anything you can with me.


Then learn not to ask loaded questions and then appear guilty about defending the stance for it and then "back paddle" to objectivity when the question itself is loaded with subjectivity and interpretation.

I'll let EvE Uni answer your "question" specifically however as requested. (Edit: See above)
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#213 - 2012-02-13 12:34:43 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
... but as long as E-UNI itself continues being neutral and training all aspects of the game ranging from full on carebear stuff to PvP and scamming ...

wait—EVE University endorses scamming now?


During my stay in the Uni, there has been classes such as the "skullduggery" class, which focus solely on how common scams are done. Teaching this by itself, does not endorse scamming as it's still very much prohibited for an uni member to scam, it simply is there to share the information about it. It is up to ourselves to decide what to do with that information, to use it to avoid being scammed, or to put it to practice once we leave the uni. Similarily there's been guest lecturers teaching about ganking, ninja salvaging and other such activities that are also prohibited for us members.

Thanks for the swift reply! Smile

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#214 - 2012-02-13 12:38:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyris Nairn
Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
Lyris Nairn wrote:
I don't know, either. Which is why I asked. You know, asking a question? It's what you do to request information.

You seem dead-set on arguing anything you can with me.


Then learn not to ask loaded questions and then appear guilty about defending the stance for it and then "back paddle" to objectivity when the question itself is load with subjectivity and interpretation.

What are you on about? It's not a loaded question at all. No conceivable response could have painted them negatively. Either the Uni has retained its anti-scamming policies and no scams are taught; or, the Uni has lifted its anti--scamming policies and scams are now taught; or, and this turned out to be the correct option, the Uni has retained its anti-scamming policies and scams are taught. All of those options reflect positively and negatively upon different people, but they're all equally "good" responses that could have been given.


edit: Option Four is that Kelduum Revaan really is the dark lord of the Sith and we're all doomed.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#215 - 2012-02-13 12:39:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
I had an alt in eve uni for a while but sadly my virtuoso displays of risque ASCII art in local during fights wasn't appreciated so I was forced to leave. It was the first (but certainly not the last) instance of people in Eve not realizing my greatness.

If this heavy-handed policy has been changed in the last year I would be happy to leave Goonwaffe behind and return to my place in the uni. I feel I still have much to learn.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#216 - 2012-02-13 12:42:09 UTC
All you need to know is how to love Rifters and how to +Like on EVEO.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#217 - 2012-02-13 12:43:50 UTC
Actually that was a major schism between what I remember of E-UNI's doctrine and Goonfleet's doctrine, in that E-UNI being based in Korsiki tended to field more Merlins and Griffins than it did Rifters, though there was a similar Blackbird backbone to both fleet doctrines. Now that E-UNI has moved to Aldrat, is the Rifter now the ship o' the line for newbies? This is important.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#218 - 2012-02-13 13:14:20 UTC
Ok, just to clear that Scam/Not Scam thing up:

EVE University has guest lectures and similar resources regarding scams, canflipping, baiting and things like ninja salvaging. Anyone found 'practising' them while in the Uni, or otherwise with a character identifiable as being related to a Uni member will usually result in the ejection of said member.

The problem is that if someone is careful, they can run a alt entirely separately to their main, and then do Naughty Things™ with them. It's impossible for us to police OOC alts like that so we don't even try, and hope that the Uni members use the resources given to identify when someone is trying to scam/bait/etc them - a hammer can be a tool or weapon, but it's up to the one wielding it to decide which.


And yes, as mentioned fairly recently, the Uni is relatively EWAR light nowadays, possibly as a side effect of the Learning Skills removal (much less wait to be able to fly something else effective), so Rifters and are pretty common.


Lyris Nairn wrote:
Option Four is that Kelduum Revaan really is the dark lord of the Sith and we're all doomed.
Also still a possibility.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#219 - 2012-02-13 13:27:57 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
edit: Option Four is that Kelduum Revaan really is the dark lord of the Sith and we're all doomed.

More "dark ochre" really....

Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Reppyk
The Black Shell
#220 - 2012-02-13 16:06:56 UTC
Reppyk wrote:
And nice Kelduum, you dodged again my questions.
Can't stop the rokh !

I can't wait to see a CSM that is not willing to answer questions.

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

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