Ships & Modules

Love how Liang keeps trashing people because they ''dont know areas of the game as much as he does'', yet he clearly never left a gate with his logi and doesnt come close to having a clue how a nano-gang works.

A nanogang can often pull out fights going on ranges of multiple hundred KM, your basi will obviously be very useful for this right ?

Face the truth, the only thing that fit is good for is baiting fights ''oh look i have no logi --- suddenly decloak'' and fighting stuff you know you can smash close to a gate.

Bringing a Basi to a real nanogang is pure suicide, the gang will drop away and your basi will get popped on gate OR youll try to follow them and cap out in a second.

Scimmy is a billion times better then Basi for any nano-fleet, period. Basi is great for two things, big gangs where you have multiple basis (higher reps), or being a ****** in amamake.

Yet your posts keep on proving to everyone that you havent got close to any clue what a real nanofleet is. There is no way in hell a basi will keep up with any kind of well executed nanocane or nanodrake gang, sitting on a gate is just not an option if you have any clue of what you are doing since nanofleets often have to pull out 200k to 300k range and drag it out, the basi just cannot do that.

In a nanofleet you need your fleet to be in between your logi and the ennemy, as such you need a ship able to keep up, only the scimmy can do that, and im not even talking about chasing after cynabals or anything, im clearly only talking about burn offs where the ennemy tackle is thrown at you and you dispatch it.

Im sure the ability to bait people is very important in getting fights, its still baiting, and I dont see how it is in any way an argument to prove that basis are better then scimmies, I can slap a cloak on my scimmy too.

The fact you roamed around Eve and produced PVP videos isnt going to change my opinion, you clearly have no ******* clue what a nanofleet does if your idea of an optimal nanofleet logi is a basi staying on 0 of the gate while the fleet tries to stay within 70k.


tldr : never said your fit is bad, but the scimmy HAS an important place in the game which you clearly dont understand

The nano ships goal is to stay in range of the PRIMARY. It falls to the LOGI to make sure the fleet members stay in range of reps.

Also, you're not a very good liar:







Since I can't put any more quotes in this post:

You're putting words in my mouth because you don't understand what I'm saying. Basically: you're pretty ******* stupid.

-Liang

You said that the scimi is only useful for fleets of cynabals, and not for any other sort of nano gang. You DID say that it was the fleets job to stay within range of the logi, rather than the other way around.
axe told you that you're completely wrong, and now you're telling him that he's putting words in your mouth.

By that logic why even bring a logi in the first place? Of COURSE you can't rep targets that are 500km apart, but the exact distance between targets where you CAN rep them goes up as the speed of your own ship increases. If you and I are in logis in a nano fleet and you bring a basi and I bring a scimi, there will be far more people onto whom I can get my reps before they die than you. THAT is the advantage offered by better speeds.



But you admit that the scimi is better?

No, not really. Staying at the center of the fight means that I'll be able to instantly bring five RRs to bear on anyone in the fight. You're going to struggle to bring three RRs to bear on anyone on your half of the field. That's why the Basi is better.



No, the Basi is better in almost all situations - though certain nano gangs (such as my "cynabal fleet") are better with a Scim than a Basi. Mostly because they're busy running away from the fight instead of partaking in it.

-Liang

Once again Liang you prove to everyone that not only do you have no idea how a proper nano-fleet is ran, have no idea what speed a proper nanofleet can achieve, and in the end you try to cover it up with lies and or logical fallacies.

A nanofleet needs to spread out a battlefield, yes, you are correct, what you are wrong though, and what usually distinguishes competent nanofleets from retards flying nanocanes, is that a competent nanofleet needs to stay as a single coherent pack, that means to burn in the same direction while keeping enough range to apply dps to primaries but not being too close as to get easily tackled. As ennemy tackle and recons is thrown in, this usually means burning in a coherent unit for hunderds of kilometers, and sometimes switching aligns as the ennemy starts to get warpins.

With that in mind, the only logi in the game that is remotely able to do this job is the scimitar, its the only ship which possesses the speed and the cap to follow a good nanogang. If you have people that are 300k away from you in a nanogang, then you are either a horribly incompetent pilot, or that person 300k off is, a nanogang should always stick together while spreading a battlefield, and as such the logistics should ALWAYS be in rep range (while mainting a safe range from the ennemy DPS).

Leaving a Basi on a gate is completely ******** with a nanogang, the ennemy will chase your ships off slowly, and your basi will stay stranded on gate and get popped.

Of course, this whole scenario is based around true nanogang, which are usually employed as small units of 5-10 or so people, and which can go on against huge blobs because of their ability to never die if flown correctly.


Now defending yourself by saying I put words in your mouth was rather clever, but it appears clearly for that topic that youve said both that scimmys are only good with cynabal gangs, which is awefully wrong, since nanocane and nanodrake gangs will go over 2k/s (speed the basi cant follow with, especially since your logi should be FASTER) and the fact it doesnt come close to have the cap stability required (Boosters are nice, but when youre fighting 10 vs 100 and the fight lasts for 30 min to 1hour, it doesnt even come close to being acceptable)

You also clearly stated that you believed a basi was superior to a scimmy even in its niche role (I quoted you on this earlier), so Im pretty sure im not putting any words in your mouth, youre just trying to find an easy way out to an argument youve already lost.

Also you can tell me Im stupid as much as you like, the fact is you should just stop commenting already since youve clearly made a fool of yourself.

You seem to be of the opinion that I don't think the Scim is good at that kind of combat. I don't know where you got that opinion, except perhaps the inability to read. One of the reasons I said you'd want to use a Scim is if your fleet is hell bent on running away from the fight itself. (I don't actually know if that particular quote was in this thread or not... it may have been).

That said, I don't often see that level of coordination from nano fleets even from fairly reputable groups like PODLA, GENOS, R&K, and PL.



Good for you if your idea of satisfying PVP is to run away from a fleet and kill the occasional interceptor who lets his transversal get too low. Yay. I prefer to mix it up with the fleet itself and actually score kills.



Are you referring to shield boosters or cap boosters? If cap boosters, I agree and if you bothered to look at my suggestion you'd know that. If its shield boosters... why bother bringing a logi in the first place? You're just gonna be driven off the field (either by their DPS or the sentry guns) in the first minute of the fight anyway.



The role in question is solo logi in a small gang. Not nano logi. I did say that the Basi is often fast enough unless your fleet is hell bent on running away from you though.



Not really. I've spent a really significant amount of time being a solo logi and I actually do know what I'm talking about in that area. You OTOH keep making assertions that are pretty much only relevant to 0.0 blob warfare. IDGAF about that ****.

-Liang

Yeah, thread succesfully derialed, and MWD Scimis have a Util high due to PG/Cap issues.

Basis and Guardians are always 4/2 in fleets due to, as I said, Neuting/ECCM/Logies dieing so redundancy is required.

I have never seen a functional MWD Basi, ever.

Basis can't keep up with shield canes, also fact.

Good flagships, Command Ships - Damnation, Vulture, Claymore.

Thread closed, move on, job done.

Problem with that is getting drawn out, but with some decent coordination that could work.

I never said it wasnt possible, I just said I'd never seen it done.