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How To Pilot an Ishtar?
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NovaCat13
Ember Interstellar Inc.
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#1 - 2012-02-12 08:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: NovaCat13
Gonna sound pretty dumb but I thought I'd try my hand at some exploration and the Ishtar seemed to be the ticket. I literally was able to get everything on there. Cloak, MWD, Analyzer, Codebreaker, Tractors, Salvager, Probe Launcher, painter for aggro and I opted for an omni armor resist profile with 77.5% EM / 85.4% Therm / 83.8% Kin / 78.9% Exp, which seemed decent plus it's a small ship so I thought sig radius was going to help me out but my very first site I probed down (Angel Cartel Occupied Mining Colony) literally puckered my bum the whole time.

I had to warp out many times, literally kill a frig or 2 and leave, if there was a scram I would have been dead in seconds. I attempted orbiting a can at 1k, orbiting the heavy hitters, and my tank just couldn't deal with it. I know there were some painters and webbers and they were my priority but even after that I couldn't tank the rooms for very long. And I never used the MWD, I merely put that there for jumping through shady places/reach acceleration gates etc. I obviously am not getting this and would like tips, heck even fits maybe I'm looking at this ship wrong, for how to not die in a fire.

Just say NO to Dailies
Sprite Can
#2 - 2012-02-12 09:02:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sprite Can
I flew this around lowsec for a day until I stupidly got caught in the thicket of a 5/10 Serpentis plex, scrammed and webbed by the NPCs and dead before I could do anything. =\ Omni resists are bad, if your not sticking to one faction's space then carry around a set of each of the hardeners in your cargo.


[Ishtar, Exploration]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Codebreaker I
Analyzer I

Improved Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I
Salvager I
Civilian Light Electron Blaster, Civilian Blaster Charge

Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Garde II x5
Ogre II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5

Refreshing Lemon-Lime~
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2012-02-12 09:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
EVE NPCs are stupid, they can't change ammo (damage types). So certain factions only cause certain type of damage, always. This makes PvE boring and unrealistic, as you can just fit the right hardeners and max your tank for the rats you want to kill.

Install pyfa, Python Fitting Assistant and copy&paste damage profiles from here.

T2 ships have specialized resist profiles, they tank their "arch enemies" best. In the case of Ishtar, this means Caldari (and Serpentis and Guristas), and their Kinetic & Thermal. EM and Explosive resists are frankly crap. Angels cause mostly explosive damage, which was you weak spot.

Because of the T2 resist profile, Ishtar is stunning against Serpentis and Guristas, and mediocre against others. It tanks over 2.5x better against Serps.

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-02-12 10:05:41 UTC
Sprite Can wrote:
I flew this around lowsec for a day until I stupidly got caught in the thicket of a 5/10 Serpentis plex, scrammed and webbed by the NPCs and dead before I could do anything. =\ Omni resists are bad, if your not sticking to one faction's space then carry around a set of each of the hardeners in your cargo.

It's the final room. It's surprisingly common to scan down that site, see someone has already done it and finally find his wreck near the warp in point in the final room. Easy access to the faction loot with a bonus of player loot always brightens up my day.

@OP omni resists just don't cut it in any of the harder sites. Even rat specific hardeners and two rig boosted T2 reppers won't cut it for long, if you get scrammed and webbed, but a 4/10 site even against angels shouldn't cause you problems. Usually you want to stay out of range of most of the ships entirely anyway, especially with you having an MWD and they using target painters. You might get away with orbiting at closer ranges if you had an AB, but with a MWD I'd usually just out range the heavy hitters while clearing out the trash. As soon as you think you can handle the damage levels, go for the faction "loot pinata", kill it, loot it and salvage it. After that warp out and look for new sites or finish clearing the remaining rats.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2012-02-12 10:43:27 UTC
Pilot it well son, pilot it well.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
NovaCat13
Ember Interstellar Inc.
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#6 - 2012-02-12 18:36:24 UTC
Yeah my logic on omni tanking was that I'm lazy, and may not be in an area where I can refit hardeners, and I'm not equipped with any guns so couldn't mag stab the lows, pretty much only CPRs, nanos, DCU as viable low options.

Just say NO to Dailies
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#7 - 2012-02-12 22:43:02 UTC
I've posted my plex Ishtar fit on here a load of times, give it a search.

In terms of flying I have always burned way off with MWD and dropped sentries after getting aggro. I can run mwd and a repper perma and this is enough at 50-60 km from the rats.

The only things to watch for are web towers and very close scram rats but given even the angel rats go 500 tops you can easily kite.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Mnemosyne Gloob
#8 - 2012-02-12 23:43:39 UTC
Sprite Can wrote:
I flew this around lowsec for a day until I stupidly got caught in the thicket of a 5/10 Serpentis plex, scrammed and webbed by the NPCs and dead before I could do anything.


rats in ded 5 plexes don't scram. you have web towers in the last room tho, which can make your life a bit harder.

to the op: armor tanked ishtar doesn't work well in angels because of its natural resist profile - you also picked a not too easy complex :)

it's a bit better if you shield tank it, however a gila will serve you much better there.

also afterburner ...
Lili Lu
#9 - 2012-02-12 23:52:21 UTC
Angels do mostly explo and kinetic damage. Some will do em or therm. So what you really needed was more explo resist. Thus angels lend themselves more to shield tanking. You could try a regen fit, 2 LSE (probably have to use meta 4 here as cpu is abysmal on the ishtar), couple explo hardeners or amps, ab in the mids. Not sure whether you wanted to fit an orange magnet mod in one of the mids though.

Alternately you can fit two explo armor resist mods, dc, MAR, and I would actually fit a plate as well to allow you some buffer to give you time to scoot if the incoming dps is too much. The armor tank will leave your mids for omnidirectional, painter, web, cap recharger essentially whatever fits within the incredibly strict cpu limitations.

The Ishtar would be an excellent exploration ship if it's cpu weren't so tight. You could fit tank in the lows, analyzer/hacking mod in the mids. But it's fitting is such a pita. It can be done, it does however require lots of named mod compormises, cpu implants, or compromises to your wallet for low cpu faction etc mods.

Did I mention the terrible CPU on the Ishtar?
Mnemosyne Gloob
#10 - 2012-02-12 23:59:54 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
But it's fitting is such a pita.


Yeah, however i quite like it. Its not like you take a hurricane and fit (almost) whatever you want on it... :)
Tenga Halaris
Galactic Traders Union
#11 - 2012-02-13 00:33:06 UTC
Ishtar is very good against Guri Serp and ok for the rest of the Factions.

Here's a full passive recharge 1500 dps tank fit against guristas:


[Ishtar, Ish PvE]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier
Pithum C-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier
Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner

200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II


Garde II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa II x5
Warden II x5


under 200 mil in ISK
600 dps
1530 dps tank against guristas, full passive
Sprite Can
#12 - 2012-02-13 01:10:39 UTC
@Tenga:

Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
~74m

Ishtar hull:
~130m

EFT warrior detected. Roll

Refreshing Lemon-Lime~
OfBalance
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-02-13 01:54:37 UTC
I think you'll find expensive ishtar fits not so uncommon. They are quite a joy to plex with and exceedingly hard to catch.
Tenga Halaris
Galactic Traders Union
#14 - 2012-02-13 02:21:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenga Halaris
...then drop those t2 rigs and you'll still be fine. Those hardeners cost around 5-10 mil. AB 25 mil, probe launcher 30 mil.

still 1350 tank

I regularly fly that piece, as all the stuff I recommend is testet in game.


[Ishtar, plex guri]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner

200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I


Garde II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x5


cheap as hell and still 1200 tank




and ofc the armor version:


[Ishtar, plex guri armor]
Medium Armor Repairer II
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Kinetic Hardener
True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Medium Capacitor Battery II
Analyzer I
Experimental 10MN Afterburner

200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Garde II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x5

capstable with ab and guns
1075 tank against guri
t2 / meta fit

...
Ford Chicago
Ziz Zag Ziggurat
#15 - 2012-02-13 04:31:29 UTC
Armor tank ishtar is one of my favorite plexing ships, in gurista space.

I would use other ships for other space, but for Serp/Gurista the ishtar is king. Needs more EM for The Maze, but can be tanked with logi.