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Faction Battle Cruisers!! (and people arguing about ship balance)
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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-02-11 18:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
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Idiocy confirmed.

Nope, it's true. Once you've fitted up a higher tier cruiser to get decent results, a battlecruiser is similar in cost and so much better it's not even worth comparing. The lower tier ones like the Omen and Maller are just plain broken.

To cap it all, the skill gap between cruisers and BCs is a matter of a few days, rendering almost all T1 cruisers worthless for anything but lolfleets and level 2 missions.

The Blackbird is pretty much the only one that can do something a BC can't.
In fact because you don't seem to know much about PVP, I'll even go over some of the most glaring examples for you:

Rupture - With a T2 fit, it's almost as expensive as a BC but nowhere near as good. With a T1 fit, it's **** even for a cruiser.
Moa - See Rupture ^
Thorax - See Rupture, coupled with very poor power grid.
Vexor - About the only cost effective combat cruiser of the lot. Debatably useful, but if your skills are good for this they're also good for a BC.
Arbitrator - Probably the only cruiser besides the Blackbird that's both useful and cost effective. Works alright with various fits but not spectacular by any means.
Caracal - Only good at shooting frigates. Plenty of ships can do that better and in some cases cheaper.
Omen - An absolute LOLship thanks to crippling lack of PG and CPU, even at high skills.
Maller - Useless brick that contributes nothing to a gang. Not even that good as a bait ship because everyone with a clue knows it's bait.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2012-02-13 04:05:58 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:


Rupture - With a T2 fit, it's almost as expensive as a BC but nowhere near as good. With a T1 fit, it's **** even for a cruiser.
Moa - See Rupture ^
Thorax - See Rupture, coupled with very poor power grid.
Vexor - About the only cost effective combat cruiser of the lot. Debatably useful, but if your skills are good for this they're also good for a BC.
Arbitrator - Probably the only cruiser besides the Blackbird that's both useful and cost effective. Works alright with various fits but not spectacular by any means.
Caracal - Only good at shooting frigates. Plenty of ships can do that better and in some cases cheaper.
Omen - An absolute LOLship thanks to crippling lack of PG and CPU, even at high skills.
Maller - Useless brick that contributes nothing to a gang. Not even that good as a bait ship because everyone with a clue knows it's bait.


Obviously, I know nothing of PvP because battlecruisers are shining examples of 'optimal' under all circumstances Roll

Fitted Omens, Ruptures and even Arbitrators can do this amazing thing called 'signature tanking' which is amazingly useful to counter fleets of bigger ships, or even Tier 3 Battlecruisers and Battleships with little risk if flown properly; the cost of these ships, fully T2 fitted and rigged may cost as much as a battlecruiser hull.

Maller's and Omen's are not crippled, and are not bad ships, at all. The DPS of a maller is relatively low in comparison to the others, but its still a sturdy ship. The only cruiser in this group that I would classify as 'underpowered' is the Caracal, due to the sig bloom from shield mods, and inability to fit HAMs.

Just because something isn't ideal in Empire, doesn't make it so everywhere else and vice versa. Again your cripplingly narrow mind is unable to put together creative purposes for ships that arn't already thought out for you by the bitter vets of old.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-02-13 12:53:42 UTC
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Obviously, I know nothing of PvP because battlecruisers are shining examples of 'optimal' under all circumstances Roll

Compared to T1 cruisers, yes they are. They do everything better with only a slight loss in speed.

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Fitted Omens, Ruptures and even Arbitrators can do this amazing thing called 'signature tanking' which is amazingly useful to counter fleets of bigger ships, or even Tier 3 Battlecruisers and Battleships with little risk if flown properly; the cost of these ships, fully T2 fitted and rigged may cost as much as a battlecruiser hull.

Yes, I am aware of sig tanking, that thing people tend to do in T2 cruisers rather than T1s. Why was that again? Oh right yeah because the T1s are absolutely laughable in that kind of gang and have this unfortunate tendency to die horribly vs BCs because they're hopelessly outclassed.


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Maller's and Omen's are not crippled, and are not bad ships, at all.

Rofl. Oh wow, you really are clueless. I'll spell this out for you:
Maller - Pathetic DPS, no drones, no ewar capability = useless. That high EHP does nothing, because all it means is the Maller dies last (and isn't saved by it) because it isn't even worth shooting early on.
Omen - Such ****-poor fitting that the only reasonable fits that can be crowbarred on are sub-par in every way, even vs other T1 cruisers.
I mean come on, when a ship is bad by those standards you know something is messed up.

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Just because something isn't ideal in Empire, doesn't make it so everywhere else and vice versa. Again your cripplingly narrow mind is unable to put together creative purposes for ships that arn't already thought out for you by the bitter vets of old.

Nope, T1 cruisers really are just that painfully limited. This wouldn't be so bad, if not for the fact the cost and skill gap between a cruiser and battlecruiser is miniscule.

They certainly can blob someone to death in a suicide lolfleet, but so can rookie ships. Doesn't make the rookie ships good.
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