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Is it Worth it to get a T3 Cruiser?
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Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#1 - 2012-02-12 20:07:36 UTC
Ohai

Being disgustingly rich and having nothing else to work towards, would you recommend getting a Loki for PvP? Possibly a Tengu as well, but I was leaning towards a Loki.

Is it any good? Worth it over BS'? etc

I love the allure of getting the most advanced things in the game, barring Titans and supercapital ships

The pie is a tautology
Sprite Can
#2 - 2012-02-12 20:10:19 UTC
PVP is a pretty vague term for this question. What exactly are you taking part in?

Refreshing Lemon-Lime~
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#3 - 2012-02-12 20:11:59 UTC
Smashing people in lowsec, usually solo or a small gang

The pie is a tautology
stoicfaux
#4 - 2012-02-12 20:12:33 UTC
If you want to forum PvP, then I would say the Tengu is better as in "omgz! nerf teh tengu! noaw!"

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-02-12 20:18:01 UTC
Not a specialist in t3 cruisers here, but a Tengu would be a very good choice if you are filthy rich and can afford to lose a bunch of them.
It is an expensive ship, so people will try to attack it for tears-extraction.
It is often used by carebears, so people will expect an easy fight and are even more likely to engage you in lowsec.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-02-12 20:18:08 UTC
I'm told cloaky Loki is good at popping unsuspecting frigates traveling in lowsec *whistles innocently*
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2012-02-12 20:31:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Go with the Tengu.

Loki has the same issue every Minmatar ship has.....POWER deficiency. Also, put on the Interdiction Nullifier and you have an utterly useless Loki.

I use mine for Uber-Probing (lol) and then bring in the Tengu.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Cybus Max
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2012-02-12 20:35:57 UTC
yes loki is VERY good for pvp in fact they all are i mean please just feel the pull of interdictor nullification there not as good as they sound lol
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-02-12 20:45:36 UTC
Its your money, but I value cost effectiveness over raw power.

A T3 is really good if you have a good fit and know what you're doing, but you explode 20 hurricanes (or drakes) for the cost of a single T3. A great ship isn't worth much if you're not willing to engage with it except in fights you're already 100% sure to win.

KB Link
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-02-12 20:53:11 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Ohai

Being disgustingly rich and having nothing else to work towards, would you recommend getting a Loki for PvP? Possibly a Tengu as well, but I was leaning towards a Loki.

Is it any good? Worth it over BS'? etc

I love the allure of getting the most advanced things in the game, barring Titans and supercapital ships




Tengu: many blahblah about this ship but let me tell you what I think knowing I use thoe in a regular basis pvp/pve

100MN AB pvp tengu you want it buffer for regular pvp basis and the only faction mods worthy to invest are disruptor web and AB.
Active tanking one will require a lot more isk investment but it's nothing to fly with if you don't have enough experience.

Overall it's the most fragile of them if you don't know what you are doing with and requires TOP SKILLS, everything under 5 means you increase your death chances by a big margin.

Loki is the one you want in a regular pvp basis, with good skills is already something awesome to use with top skills it's just an incredible tool and requires you to invest in a good AB/MWD and webs, everything else go for T2.
For pvp loki is clearly above Tengu but requires some choices like a good mix of rapier/cyna, if you ever want to play it all gank like just buy cynas, if you want to play it defensive/offensive then buy rapiers.

Loki is the extreme pvp killing machine if you know what you are doing and have the proper fit/mods.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#11 - 2012-02-12 21:05:04 UTC
Thanks for the input! :D

What about the Legion and Proteus? I never see them, and they're never mentioned anywhere

The pie is a tautology
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-02-12 21:13:46 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Thanks for the input! :D

What about the Legion and Proteus? I never see them, and they're never mentioned anywhere


The Proteus is an absolutely beautiful boat for highsec and wormhole warfare. These are my experiences of it - I can see no reason why it would not excel in lowsec as well, except maybe for becoming helpless when stranded off gates and unable to hit anything. The buffer it sports is rivalled only by the Damnation in subcap warfare, but the damnation's lack of DPS makes it a lesser ship when fighting the Proteus. This is from the experience of fighting a damnation - My 1000DPS vs. his 100 DPS. Despite the fact I had 1/3rd the buffer he did, he was melting 10x faster than me. In the end, he called RR and I docked.

This is another thing - undocks are the main preserve of the proteus. If you like highsec war, great. In nullsec, any T3 is useless, and I'm sure that in low the others excel. However, I will fight the proteus' corner all the same.

Dodixie > Hek
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-02-12 21:39:13 UTC
I wouldn't be honest if i'd forget to say I didn't used any Proteus since last patch mainly because I don't have that much of occasions where I can use it.

Proteus is Gallente and as such has tremendous drawbacks for little to no advantage:

-Big buffer for sure everyone will tell you that but just a slow brick like every gallente hull, excellent as extreme heavy tackle provided you have at least one Oneiros at your ass, Guardian better because energy remote increases your survability by almost 100%

-of all T3's Proteus is the one that can push the most incredible dps out of it's hull, and probably garmon that is a known excellent solo pvp player for using extreme hulls/fits could probably say it better than me.
The numbers are there, with the same hull in a single version you get out of it these raw numbers:

-120 to 200k EHP starting by T2 fit to faction fit (officer it's just an insane 450k EHP cruiser hull if you add on top slaves set)

-with top gunnery/subs/hull/drones you get out of it from 1K to 1.5K dps starting by T2 fit to faction fit, officer it's just insane.

Now these are just numbers you can pull out of EFT/Pyfa, in reality it's another story:

-cap stability just close to unexistant or only with a lot of faction mods or lol fit.
-dmg selection fixed
-dmg range application slighly increased after ast changes but still under the bridge compared with Loki/Legion short range
-slot layout not adapted, subs slots bonus is not good at all
-sniping sub missing +1 high slot +1 hard point -1 low slot
-drones sub...just lol re lol mega lol and hard core lol?

The points above don't mean this ship is total crap, look at the numbers they're "wow. But ti's ONLY another gate/undock elite pvp'rs tool or a rather medium exploration ship. Out of this, with is about 98% the rest of the game this ship is just an expensive coffin for your toon.

Legion I can't fly those yet so, mouth shut for me I can't have an opinion about other than what some friends tell me about.
Liam Mirren
#14 - 2012-02-12 21:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Honestly, I wouldn't bother with it until you have a well informed plan and idea that requires a T3. Most of them aren't any good at running missions and the tengu isn't as good as the hype folks will try and make you believe. Don't start PVPing in expensive ships expecting them to help you get kills, they won't. They'll just look nasty on your killboard when you do lose them.

Start cheap, start simple. PVP is more about what you know that what ship you fly.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#15 - 2012-02-12 22:40:37 UTC
I have seen T3 ships single-handedly take down entire gate camps.

True story.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-02-12 22:48:04 UTC
Sounds like a good idea ! :)
Especially the "smashing people in lowsec" part.

They'll be TOTALLY unprepared ! I'm sure about that !
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-02-13 00:26:30 UTC
Did CCP remove the SP loss when you loose a T3? I can think of better things to PvP in than a ship that is going to lobotimize you if you get ganked.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#18 - 2012-02-13 01:14:20 UTC
I use a cloaky nullified tengu when I want to go check out something in nullsec and don't want to be hassled along the way. Gate to gate you are untouchable. That's all I care to use it for though.

PL has some insainly good Tengu pilots. They use them to great success in PvP... so it is a viable PvP ship.

Personally though, I would go with something cheaper for just roaming around solo. I have the extra dime to get a bunch of Tengus, but solo PvP is a lot different than having a few corp mates with you. The best I can do I do with an Onyx. (The Broadsword is also excellent) With a HIC, you really maximize versatility in that all your mids are pretty much free since you have an infini point high so you can pull out all kinds of weird asymmetric attacks with EW, speed, or tank in particular. If I could have 5 small drones w/ my onyx I would neverfly anything else (for PvP). They are a little pricy too though... and there's nothing wrong with a BC. ....and now I'm thinking about awesome frig fits. Where this is going is for the price of a tengu you can fit a nice variety and volume of ships instead that will give you a lot more bang for your buck and keep things fresh. I therefor advise against T3 as a solo PvPer unless you have a lot of isk to burn and don't give a snip. However, if that's the case, why you even askin'? Big smile

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#19 - 2012-02-13 01:57:33 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I have seen T3 ships single-handedly take down entire gate camps.

True story.




I did that in a Zealot once too. 10 guys ran like girls. Of course the last time that saw me I was in a 120 man fleet. There was no way they could have known I had left it.

As for T3 someone else pointed out, you lose a substystem if it pops. So say you have them all to 4, thats just under 2 days to get it back.
Ai Shun
#20 - 2012-02-13 02:03:03 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
What about the Legion and Proteus? I never see them, and they're never mentioned anywhere


I have no idea. But after asking in New Player Help about T3 cruisers and the like I ended up with one Legion in my asset list with subsystems that I have no intention to use and that I cannot and will not fly. I'm willing to sell it cheaply if anyone is after one of those Sad
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