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Running Low Sec Anoms/Sigs in a pvp fit ship
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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#1 - 2012-02-06 21:57:35 UTC
I bounce around low sec looking to get shot quite regularly an I also get my pve kicks with HS exploration.....

I have tried low sec explo a bit as well but i'm a bit on edge as my pve fit ships have no survivability if get caught in a plex/anom......

I know the 'usual' rules of survival in LS as i try to get around them when i'm hunting for targets so don't give me rant about them please.

What i'm asking is for peoples ideas on running LS anoms/plex with pvp fit ships....is it possible given the lvl of anoms/plex in Ls and what ship/fit would you recomend.

I can fly all race T1 ships and i'm working toward medium T2 missiles/hybrid....(my fave is caldari for both pvp and pve)

Cheers

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
drdxie
#2 - 2012-02-06 22:57:12 UTC
I used to do ls/ns anoms in a drake, fit below, then moved to a gila, which works much better.




[Drake, explore]

Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Prototype Cloaking Device I_1

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive_1
Faint Warp Disruptor I_1
Invulnerability Field II_2
Large Shield Extender II_2
Invulnerability Field II_2
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II_2

Damage Control II_2
Shield Power Relay II_2
Shield Power Relay II_2
Power Diagnostic System II_2

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I_2
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I_2
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I_2


[Gila, Exploration]

Heavy Missile Launcher II_2
Heavy Missile Launcher II_2
Prototype Cloaking Device I_2
Sisters Core Probe Launcher_2

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction_2
Large Shield Extender II_2
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II_2
Invulnerability Field II_2
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive_1
Faint Warp Disruptor I_1

Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I_2
Shield Power Relay II_2
Shield Power Relay II_2
Damage Control II_2

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I_2
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I_2
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I_2

Hobgoblin II, 5i
Ogre I, 5i
Hammerhead II, 5i
Bouncer I, 5i


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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#3 - 2012-02-07 01:14:47 UTC
Yeah i was thinking something similar...I have both those ships as I use a gila for HS explo atm.

I guess I need to concentrate on fits that will put up a good fight against an agressor not a fit that has the ability to hunt targets itself.

Cheers for those.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Landraar
Krautflut
#4 - 2012-02-07 10:37:22 UTC
I don't think it could be done reliably. IMO A typical Hurricane or T3 still will make short process with any solo HML-fit Drake or Gila, even if you have plugged up that Caldari EM-hole.

You can play the solo bait ship in a belt or one of the easier plexes, but most attackers will stay away from a suspected pewpew setup. I lived in low sec as an explorer in my first year (I only did sigs, no anoms), and after I figured out how to watch local and d-scan and warp off when they land, I experimented with solo-bait setups. As soon as I was out in a HAM fit, ppl stopped attacking me, but doing sites with HAMs does not really work out well, and with Guristas, it becomes outright impossible. And even with HAMs, you'd still have a hard time against a correctly fitted cane.

Watch local and d-scan, and be aligned; alternatively, hunt for pve-ships in a pvp fit.
drdxie
#5 - 2012-02-07 18:56:05 UTC
I never stayed to fight in my exploration ships, most times I would run. The scram was more of a scare tactic, and worked really well for chasing pesky bombers and recon ships away. As soon as you scram them.. they will run, unless they got friends, but that is what the mwd is for.. to gtfo. I guess they figure you trying to bait them.

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Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#6 - 2012-02-09 05:36:45 UTC
Gila is your best bet. Instead of shield power relays you can put nanos in the lows and you can outrun nanocanes while having more buffer and more applied dps at range. I use nano gila to reliably win vs canes and run anoms in between fights or for baiting.
Spineker
#7 - 2012-02-09 05:51:40 UTC
It depends on your money. Tengu can escape almost any gank if you are paying attention, she has good speed, not a huge sig radius unless you fit it wrong. Tengu can take a little longer to scan down most proper fit T2 frigs but not terrible.

Scans as well or as good as most frigs. Not perfect because it is a swiss army knife so you can only be mediocre in any skill such as tanking or dps. However it can do far more dps than bringing two ships to low sec. Actually in my opinion Low Sec is not that scary if you pay attention and go where people are not. Caldari low sec is popular but Min and Amarr is not that bad and their are hundreds of places to explore there.

Of course the perfect exploration is having an alt and you have one HAM PVP tengu buffer tank ship and one perfect scanning ship. Although that is not the real world thing.

So if you don't like the chance of losing a 600 million isk Tengu you can go with a 2 hundred million Ishtar. I understand you are saying Caldari the Ishtar if you have good skills can always cross train to Gallente with in a month and all your shield skills are easily moved to the Gallente ships. If you are good at exploration in High Sec and you understand the basics and are close to an Ishtar they can scan, kill and run away when needed. They can run away at 2x the speed of a tengu unless it is a MWD tengu exploration ship which would not work very well.

If I had to have one ship for dps and scanning and exploration it would be the Ishtar. They have amazing survival ability with the right skills and knowledge.
Spineker
#8 - 2012-02-09 05:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
Exploring in in low sec is not hard. I made billions of isk on exploration when it first came out and you had to actually work for scanning down sites. Today it is brainless compared when CCP rolled it out for the first time, but that just made it easy to make billions with elite skill, I just had the skills at hand on and alt for some reason. Today exploration is dumbed down to any monkey can do it, takes no skill and with new Invuls you can even lose a few ships and still get rich easy. I was so rich with Exploration in those days of thinking that I flew Spineker with a Nighthawk that cost 500m isk at the time and had a 10 million SP alt that flew a T2 frig and scanned stuff down in no time but it took skill. Today it is so dumbed down to take all the risk and knowledge away. At one time I thought Eve was a thinking game.

Today Exploration is so dumbed down.... No other comment, except that mission running is just as harsh.
Spineker
#9 - 2012-02-09 06:08:16 UTC
Haha hell I explored in Tama and never lost a ship there. Low sec is as scary as you make it.
Bent Barrel
#10 - 2012-02-09 07:53:52 UTC
Spineker wrote:
Exploring in in low sec is not hard. I made billions of isk on exploration when it first came out and you had to actually work for scanning down sites. Today it is brainless compared when CCP rolled it out for the first time, but that just made it easy to make billions with elite skill, I just had the skills at hand on and alt for some reason. Today exploration is dumbed down to any monkey can do it, takes no skill and with new Invuls you can even lose a few ships and still get rich easy. I was so rich with Exploration in those days of thinking that I flew Spineker with a Nighthawk that cost 500m isk at the time and had a 10 million SP alt that flew a T2 frig and scanned stuff down in no time but it took skill. Today it is so dumbed down to take all the risk and knowledge away. At one time I thought Eve was a thinking game.

Today Exploration is so dumbed down.... No other comment, except that mission running is just as harsh.


exploration when it first came out was a lottery at each step ... probing was a pita since you were working against a random numbe generator, you could not move probes (they were static), you could not resize probes (they had static signal strengths).
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-02-09 08:13:05 UTC
Actualy I came to the conclusion a PvE fit with a few adjustments is more affective then a PvP fit.

I sacrificed the hobgoblins for Hornet_EC-300 and a cloaking device.

No I won't kill any gankers but I have enlarged my chances for survival drasticly.
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-02-11 03:24:13 UTC
For low sec exploration a PVP fit means the ability to GTFO before they bring friends. Your want to scare off recons, deal to tacklers and warp out before anything big arrives.
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#13 - 2012-02-12 16:44:03 UTC
My favorite low sec fit for pvp/pve:

Vexor:
4 x 150 T2 rails ( small arty if you prefer )
Med neut

10 MN MWD
Small T2 cap booster ( 10 navy 400's in cargo and 15-20 200's )
J5 Scram

DC 2
T2 rep
T2 EANM
800 Plate

3 Tri-Marks or 2 with a rep bonus rig.

Small guns track inties and af's with ease, anyone adventurous enough to get close has to deal with the neut. Reasonably fast, dps depends on your drone skills but compared to most cruisers it's very good and hits to 54k with no ammo issues.

I usually carry a code breaker, archeology mod and salvager in cargo if i find a mag or radar and i'm bored. Dropping the scram makes it less of a pvp fit but but will usually chase off anyone looking for an '' easy '' kill.

Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#14 - 2012-02-13 00:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
Thanks for the responces guys,

ok so I'm often just wandering around LS looking for a scrap or two and I happen to scan down sigs/anoms as a matter of habit for me.

If I run these will my pvp fit ships (usually cooky cutter drake/moa etc) be able to run these sites? I know going back and getting my 'proper' explo drake will but I can't be bothered usually.

Just wondering if it's possible to run them as an aside to my wandering.

Cheers

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-02-13 06:14:29 UTC
What's with all the "PVP" fits with cloaking devices? And SPRs? Really now?