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Why do Jump Freighters have so much less space then reg Freighters?
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Gorgamis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-02-11 01:23:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorgamis
Why do Jump Freighters have so much less space then reg Freighters?
thats a down grade not a up grade.
it should at least have the same space.
testawan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-02-11 02:23:43 UTC
... Dont make me slap you
Gorgamis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-02-11 07:31:59 UTC
testawan wrote:
... Dont make me slap you

try it mate... Evil
Bunnehrawr Rawr
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-02-11 07:42:52 UTC
you trade space for the jumpdrive good sir.

The ability to instantly jump X distance > full cargo ?
Af'ilia
Af'ilia te's
#5 - 2012-02-11 08:37:15 UTC
T2 != best of.

t2 = better in certain areas.
Gorgamis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-02-11 12:20:34 UTC
Bunnehrawr Rawr wrote:
you trade space for the jumpdrive good sir.

The ability to instantly jump X distance > full cargo ?

only if they use the same ship.
there is nothing to stop them from makeing it better.
am i the only one that thinks around here? O.o
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#7 - 2012-02-11 13:47:53 UTC
Jump drive is huge and requires a lot of space. Hope this helps Big smile

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Khaine Beralt
Third World Democracy
#8 - 2012-02-11 13:48:34 UTC
Gorgamis wrote:

am i the only one that thinks around here? O.o


Yes.
Seamus Donohue
EVE University
Ivy League
#9 - 2012-02-11 21:41:37 UTC
Solar systems in player-sovereign space (that is, k-space non-NPC Null Security) can be "improved" with the use of Infrastructure Hubs and the upgrade modules for the Infrastructure Hubs. In the current builds of both Tranquility and Singularity, the Infrastructure Hub itself, the fifth tier of all Industry and Military Upgrades, and all Strategic Upgrades (except "Supercapital Construction Facilities") are too big to fit in a Jump Freighter. Thus, any NullSec Alliance that wants to install these things must have them moved into place by a Freighter, which must use the Stargate network, possibly supplemented by the Alliance's jump bridge network (see Footnote 1) or be Titan-bridged in.

If Jump Freighters had the same cargo capacity as Freighters, then these cargoes could be moved to their destinations without Stargate, Jump Bridges, or Titans. That has a potential impact on game balance. How much of an impact? I don't know; I need to leave that question to actual NullSec residents.

Infrastructure Hubs aside, CCP is probably trying to force a tradeoff between more cargo capacity and jump capability just on general principle. If Jump Freighters had the same capacity as Freighters, then Freighters would be a stepping stone while skilling up and a (relatively) cheap alternative when "relatively cheap" is needed for some reason, but otherwise you would never use Freighters ever again.

Those are my guesses, at any rate.

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Footnote 1: Jump bridges are starbase modules that cannot be onlined unless you have an Infrastructure Hub and the "Advanced Logistics Network" upgrade already in place. So, you can't get a jump bridge into the system unless two Freighters (or one Freighter making two trips) have already brought these items into the system by Stargate.

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Gorgamis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-02-11 23:07:47 UTC
you mean like how i dont use small ships anymore...lol
im a builder i know all about owning and building a system.
and use both jump systems.
there is nothing anyone can tell me why they cant make a upgrade to a better ship.
all jump ships cant use gates or the jump brige.
so there is already draw backs to jump drives.
but they would be good for road building if it has the same space.
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#11 - 2012-02-12 01:08:20 UTC
Seamus Donohue wrote:
Solar systems in player-sovereign space (that is, k-space non-NPC Null Security) can be "improved" with the use of Infrastructure Hubs and the upgrade modules for the Infrastructure Hubs. In the current builds of both Tranquility and Singularity, the Infrastructure Hub itself, the fifth tier of all Industry and Military Upgrades, and all Strategic Upgrades (except "Supercapital Construction Facilities") are too big to fit in a Jump Freighter. Thus, any NullSec Alliance that wants to install these things must have them moved into place by a Freighter, which must use the Stargate network, possibly supplemented by the Alliance's jump bridge network (see Footnote 1) or be Titan-bridged in.

If Jump Freighters had the same cargo capacity as Freighters, then these cargoes could be moved to their destinations without Stargate, Jump Bridges, or Titans. That has a potential impact on game balance. How much of an impact? I don't know; I need to leave that question to actual NullSec residents.

Infrastructure Hubs aside, CCP is probably trying to force a tradeoff between more cargo capacity and jump capability just on general principle. If Jump Freighters had the same capacity as Freighters, then Freighters would be a stepping stone while skilling up and a (relatively) cheap alternative when "relatively cheap" is needed for some reason, but otherwise you would never use Freighters ever again.

Those are my guesses, at any rate.

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Footnote 1: Jump bridges are starbase modules that cannot be onlined unless you have an Infrastructure Hub and the "Advanced Logistics Network" upgrade already in place. So, you can't get a jump bridge into the system unless two Freighters (or one Freighter making two trips) have already brought these items into the system by Stargate.


Nullsec alliances just use wspace routes which are completely safe and the equivalent of jump drives minus the cynos.
Seamus Donohue
EVE University
Ivy League
#12 - 2012-02-12 02:13:04 UTC
Jack Tronic wrote:
Nullsec alliances just use wspace routes which are completely safe and the equivalent of jump drives minus the cynos.

Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about wormholes. Shame on me.

Is that common, though? It does require being lucky enough to have a convenient set of wormholes.

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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-02-12 06:16:27 UTC
Seamus Donohue wrote:
Jack Tronic wrote:
Nullsec alliances just use wspace routes which are completely safe and the equivalent of jump drives minus the cynos.

Ah, yes, I'd forgotten about wormholes. Shame on me.

Is that common, though? It does require being lucky enough to have a convenient set of wormholes.


It does seem odd.

There are very few WH entrances that can handle 820m mass from a single ship passing through it and that's the smallest freighter (Fenrir). Though I don't think luck would play a part of it - more patience than luck.

It might be days or weeks until a proper Wormhole forms (or path can be found through w-space) to a destination but people doing such things tend to plan on it vs just spur of the moment so ...

I also don't see "completely safe" though much safer than trying to run freighters through gates. Interesting idea that this would be a preferred method albeit a tad dubious sounding.
Covert Kitty
SRS Industries
#14 - 2012-02-12 07:36:34 UTC
Quote:
..... Interesting idea that this would be a preferred method albeit a tad dubious sounding.

This would work, but you do need to get a little lucky. You can sometimes find k-space to k-space wormholes that pass freighters, C5's and C6's are also an option, however they don't have highsec or lowsec statics, so you would have to get lucky and find a random within those holes.

But yes, its certainly possible.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#15 - 2012-02-12 15:55:23 UTC
jump drives are going to take up ALOT of space anyway for a ship that size and i honestly think its a pretty fair trade off anyways for jump drive capabuilitys for carrying the amount it already is able ot carry.
Amara Feuta
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-02-13 00:55:06 UTC
Gorgamis wrote:
testawan wrote:
... Dont make me slap you

try it mate... Evil


not try it DO IT !!!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2012-02-13 11:54:56 UTC
I agree wholeheartedly.

Barely carries double an Orca load depending and NOT worth the PRICE especially, IMHO, even with a JD.

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