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Emoclew
BAMF's
#1 - 2012-02-11 00:10:58 UTC
Ok so my corp is getting tired of pvping out of a particular low sec system, they tend to empty pretty quickly when we move in to leave just hotdroppers and blobs, so were thinking of moving into a wormhole with static low/null sec to get a bit of variety as well as the income that can be found there.

We can afford a POS and all that jazz aswell as suitable pve ships- t3's, BS', t2 cruisers, the odd drake is impossible to avoid. One thing we would like to prevent (there isnt always that many of us active bar peak times) is people logging on to find themselves alone and not able to do the sites or get a pvp fleet, this time would usually be spent plexing or solo pvping. So, now for the question, what class of wormhole would this situation suit? i understand class 3/2 are the best for solo work. anyone give me any pointers or done this before please. thanks
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2012-02-11 00:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
If you are looking for a C3, find any wormhole with a static to C3, and stay a week (maybe less, maybe more) in a probing ship. Scan the static daily, until you find a C3 you like.

Preferably empty. Preferably with PI planets that can make POS fuel. Preferably a small system so that dscan always shows everything (systems smaller than 64 au are also easier to probe without deep space probes). Preferably with a static you can make use of (static to another wormhole is better than a static to lowsec as your wormhole's site spawns will dry-up eventually).

http://www.staticmapper.com/

C2 are very hard to find empty, but if you are up for a fight...
Malkev
Tribal Liberation Force
#3 - 2012-02-11 00:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Malkev
Don't get a C3. Having a single k-space static sucks.

Get a C2 with LS and C2 statics. You can easily solo your home anoms plus the static C2's anoms, and you have access to LS PVP and exploration. Since all C2's have a k-space and w-space static, you'll find that you'll have a lot more to explore if you choose to do so.

Every day you'll have your LS exit, an exit to another C2, that C2's W and k-space exits, and maybe that C2's w-space exits w-space exits w-space exit. P

The other benefit is coming across other C2's with statics to higher class WH's (C3/4/5/6). When you have the numbers on, you can run the anoms in those and make a nice chunk of change.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-02-11 00:57:32 UTC
c2 and 3 will be mostly occupied. to make sure that you wont run a system dry, make sure the wanted class is the static of your wormhole. so this can be a C2 with a static c2 or 3, or a C4 with a static c2 or 3. that way, when youre bored of the current static connection you can simply collapse it and look for new targets

as for c2's being occupied....usually they are. however if youre willing to siege a sytem for some time youll find that most are terribly defended anyway
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-02-11 05:35:02 UTC
It seems that you've received all-good advice so far.

If you're not w-space savvy yet, you are probably not going to enjoy starting with a C3 ... unless you got a fairly large group. The advice, about getting into a c2, might be best for you all right now.

C2s give you two statics .... one to empire and one to w-space. So, something like C2 static-C2/lowsec (if there is such a thing) or C2 static-lowsec/C3 might suit you just right. When your guys are there in quiet times they can solo clear some of the sites in the home system (a drake can do that). when you got numbers and the blood runs hot you can pop into lowsec to surprise whoever happens to be your neighbours today, and (if you get a C3 or c4 static) when you got a gang and need isk you can farm your w-space neighbour.

W-space is very different to empire living, and is certainly not for everyone. So do make sure your guys have a fair understanding of what is involved before diving in.

C2s are mostly occupied. If you have no interest in PI you will find the occasional empty c2 with dreadful planets for PI.
If you're serious tho, prolly the easiest route to getting your own C2 is o hangout in the sell forum down below. If you watch for a week or two you will almost certainly see some suitable systems come up for sale.

Good luck and .... in anticipation .... welcome to w-space :-)

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2012-02-11 08:29:21 UTC
C3 with a lowsec static and ****** planets is better than any other defense a small corp can put up :) One static is easy to control, and you don't get much trespassers. Good for trying out wh-living. If you like it, you can start looking for an optimal hole and start building the numbers that are required to siege it and keep it.

Also, T3s can solo C3 sites, and nothing prevents the players who log on alone from dropping into LS for plexing. 90% of the time you open into a quiet, empty system, and you always have neat backdoor to GTFO when needed.

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Emoclew
BAMF's
#7 - 2012-02-12 10:59:26 UTC
thanks for all your replies a lot i didnt know or hadnt considered so im now better informed :)
just gotta find a nice un manned one, may end up trying to invade one if we find a < large pos Pirate
Vjorn Angannon
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#8 - 2012-02-12 12:34:44 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
as for c2's being occupied....usually they are. however if youre willing to siege a sytem for some time youll find that most are terribly defended anyway


Emoclew wrote:
just gotta find a nice un manned one, may end up trying to invade one if we find a < large pos Pirate


If/when you find a C2 (or whatever class system you're interested in) look for all the POS's. If only 1 or 2 in system, check their defenses. Then....do some research on the owning corp!!! There are plenty of C2's (and other lower classes) that will have a decent POS setup.....but have low member numbers and poor pvp experience.

You may be surprised at what a single stealth bomber and some patience on your part will do to the morale of the owning corp. My alt has caused a few corps to simply fold up and leave by simply denying them their isk making opportunities.
Emoclew
BAMF's
#9 - 2012-02-15 00:51:32 UTC
alright cool having scanned for almost a week and been in loads of c2/c3 ive decided were gna get our raid on Twisted since they have all had at least a pos with field. Is simply warping round low sec scanning sigs the best way to find one with a low sec static? if not im doing it wrong
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-02-15 01:13:32 UTC
Emoclew wrote:
if not im doing it wrong


If you are scanning in lowsec you will find a bundle of K162s from w-systems with lowsec statics. Given that those K162s only came into existence because someone in the w-system commenced a warp onto the grid of the static at the other end, the question for you becomes 'how likely is that w-system to be unoccupied?'.

By all means go scan in lowsec, you will find systems with lowsec statics, and some of them will be empty and triggered by visitors. But do remember that almost everything w-space requires patience, often heaps and heaps of patience.

Another approach you could take, is what I am doing in my C5 search atm. Find yourself a w-system, any w-system, with a static to the class you're after ... and just cycle those static connections until you find what you're after. But this also requires patience ... and a scanning alt that can sit there quietly for some time.

Alternatively you have the WTS sell market in these forums ... although that, also, requires patience if you're after a particular type of w-system.

Good luck.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.