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A Question on Warfare mechanics

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Lando Tangent
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#1 - 2011-09-19 06:38:00 UTC
This is an alt post for simple reasons.

So, about a week ago, my corp got decked by mercs for our *ahem* rather nefarious activities. Now, in order to drive up the price of the dec, we decided to dec the corp we think called the mercs on us.

Wherein, lies the question:

Does involving yourself in another war, while being decced, increase the cost of the dec of the corp that decced you? If so, how much? Secondly, what does it cost to maintain one dec, corp-to-corp for one week?

Many thanks.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Infinite Pew
#2 - 2011-09-19 07:34:20 UTC
I'm pretty certain that's an exploit. You allowed to hop between different corps to avoid a war-dec... however, using a friendly/alt corp to war-dec yours to artificially keep costs up is a no-no.
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#3 - 2011-09-19 13:21:36 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
I'm pretty certain that's an exploit. You allowed to hop between different corps to avoid a war-dec... however, using a friendly/alt corp to war-dec yours to artificially keep costs up is a no-no.

I don't think thats what he was asking. Yes, you can dec someone else, and yes it will drive up their cost. However, if its a legit wardec (and it is, since you're trying to get the guys that hired mercs against you) then its all fair game.

I've also heard that decing yourself with an alt corp to drive up wardecs is considered legal, seeing as how you have to pay the fees as well (and mutual wardecs don't count in raising other's dec fees)
Anuthahoodedguy
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-09-19 13:58:13 UTC
Using alt corps to drive up the dec price is totally, 100%, completely, totally, and utterly ALLOWED. I recently did a petition for a rules clarification on that point and had it verified by a GM and Senior GM.

And yes it does drive up the costs of decs to do what you describe.
Smiley Smile
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2011-09-19 14:11:46 UTC
I think you have some alt fail. The thread currently right above this was started by Lando Tarsadan. My guess? COMPLETELY unrelated accounts. Heh.


Puss in Boots
Naked Moon Industries
#6 - 2011-09-19 14:26:42 UTC
I wish for you all to delete your posts, reread what the OP is asking, and then try again.
Lando Tangent
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#7 - 2011-09-19 15:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Lando Tangent
I thank you guys for your mostly non-trolly replies.

However, I sitll have one question that hasn't been answered:

A corp decs B corp.
B corp decs C corp.

Now, does A Corps war dec cost more because B corp decced C corp?

Secondly,does the cost for ALL people who have decced you increase, or is just the last deccer saddled with a huge bill?

And finally, by how much does each dec increase the cost of the war dec?

Many thanks again.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#8 - 2011-09-19 18:14:52 UTC
Only wars declared against you increase the cost of declaring war on your corporation. The wars you declare only increase the cost of your own war declarations.

So in your example A corp spent 2 million to declare war on B corp and B corp paid the same ammount to dec C corp. However if A corp decs C corp they will pay 4 million and if D corp decs B corp they will also pay 4 million.

MySmackTalking ForumAlt
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-07 21:59:15 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
I'm pretty certain that's an exploit. You allowed to hop between different corps to avoid a war-dec... however, using a friendly/alt corp to war-dec yours to artificially keep costs up is a no-no.

I LOL'd. Try to get that petition to stick!
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-10 07:25:40 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
I'm pretty certain that's an exploit. You allowed to hop between different corps to avoid a war-dec... however, using a friendly/alt corp to war-dec yours to artificially keep costs up is a no-no.


There was a timing trick coupled with disolution/reforming of corporations that could be used to avoid wardec costs while putting such a "decshield" up.

THAT was deemed an exploit. Any corporation or alliance, for any reason, may wardec another group as long as they pay their fees fully each week.

So if you want to "be safe" and can afford 1 billion a week in wardecs, feel free to setup alt accounts and go to town - it's legal. If you find a way to time it perfectly and avoid that 1 billion a week expense while still costing others that much.... At the least, expect a chat with a GM - at the worste, an e-mail explaining the account ban.

Protection costs - pay the bill and you can be safer.



As to the OP's questions: All the math is covered in the wiki. Break out a calculator if you need to and run the numbers.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/War_Declaration
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#11 - 2011-10-10 10:32:26 UTC
corp deccing is cheap .... what hurts in this game is alliance deccing .... then CEOs start to think if the **** makes sense or not.
magic preacher
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2011-10-14 11:51:12 UTC
to dec a corp has a base cost of 2 mill
to dec an alliance has a base cost of 50 mill
so to be honest trying to push the price of war dec on corps is a waste of time
as you are only looking at multiples of 2 mill
also worth noting
if I dec a corp for 2 mill I immediately get a bill to extend the war for next week for 2 mill
if that corp then joins an alliance
I can still pay that bill and get the extension on the alliance for 2 mill TwistedTwistedTwisted


Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#13 - 2011-10-15 02:58:46 UTC
Why would some one wardec such nice corporation? They did nothing wrong, they want to just mind their own business and do missions and mining.