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Dedicated Gas Cloud Harvesting ships -- Can it please be more than a pipe dream?

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Crucitus
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-02-11 14:37:54 UTC
So for the last couple months I've been harvesting gas on my main. It's pretty profitable, and it requires next to no effort or attention. Hell I'm doing it right now while I type this. One sec, need to tab back in to shift my load around.

Cool, now. We have currently six dedicated ORE belt mining ships, T1 and T2. We have two dedicated mining caps (Actually, I don't think the Orca counts as a cap, but close enough). We have a slew of frigates and cruisers that get bonuses to mining. We even have one exhumer that has bonuses for ice mining.

And, recently, you released the Noctis for salvaging.

You keep releasing great ships for things that people find tedious and time consuming, but you leave us gas harvesters in the clouds (Heh).

My proposal, and bear with me here because it's late, is to give either some of the existing ships (Like, say the old tier one battlecruisers, the Ferox for instance) some passive gas harvesting bonuses. Maybe 20% yield, 50% range, -30% cycle.

OR, do like you did with the Noctis, and make a brand new ship from the ground up dedicated solely for the purpose of gas harvesting.

I'm just playing around here with stats, but you can adjust them for balance's sake.

ORE Industrial Bonus:
  • 15% increase in harvester yield per level
  • 10% increase in harvester range per level
  • 15% decrease in harvester cycle length every other level (15%/30%/45% at 1/3/5, respectively)
  • Ability to fit +1 harvester every other level, (1/3/5), to a maximum of 8 with Gas Cloud Harvesting at 5

  • Of course, it'd need a large cargohold, or a dedicated gas cargohold that has bonuses similar to the Primae (For PI) or Rorqual (For ore/compressed ore).

    I don't expect anyone important to respond to this, it's tired and I'm feeling creative, but I hope somewhere a fellow cloud chaser will see this and bump it so CCP sees it and gives it some thought.

    Thanks CCP, I love this game and with some improvements, it'd be even better (For me at least)

    -C
    Nalha Saldana
    Aliastra
    Gallente Federation
    #2 - 2012-02-11 15:10:09 UTC
    +1 for a new gas harvesting ship, even one based on the same hull as noctis is fine.
    infra52x
    University of Caille
    Gallente Federation
    #3 - 2012-02-11 19:03:23 UTC
    This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.


    Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out.........
    Naveah Fade
    White Glint Productions
    #4 - 2012-02-11 19:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Naveah Fade
    Not to knit pick, but the Noctis isn't a new ship made from the ground up, its based on the Primae hull.

    Even so, I support the idea of a dedicated gas cloud ship.
    Revman Zim
    Infinite Point
    Pandemic Horde
    #5 - 2012-02-11 19:35:20 UTC
    I kind of agree with infra52x on this one. Gas Cloud Harvesting is a sub specialty of mining, does it really need a dedicated ship? I did it in WH with an unrigged Omen. Harvesters in high, cargo expanders in low. Very cheap and can be brought in and out packaged.

    If we have specific ships for EVERY job in EVE it takes out some of the ingenuity of the game. I doubt there is much variation on how a Noctis is fitted through out the Universe.
    Crucitus
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #6 - 2012-02-11 20:41:20 UTC
    infra52x wrote:
    This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.


    Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out.........


    There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either.
    Marsan
    #7 - 2012-02-11 21:54:54 UTC
    Honestly as I gas mine in wspace I tend to use a BS or BC for this.

    Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.

    infra52x
    University of Caille
    Gallente Federation
    #8 - 2012-02-11 22:15:48 UTC  |  Edited by: infra52x
    Crucitus wrote:
    infra52x wrote:
    This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.


    Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out.........


    There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either.



    I was just making a point of how we need to preserve the sandbox aspect of the game.. By the way Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization--- will help in gas mining as will the alchemist implant set.
    seany1212
    M Y S T
    #9 - 2012-02-11 23:11:12 UTC
    Crucitus wrote:
    infra52x wrote:
    This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.


    Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out.........


    There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either.


    LOL don't suggest a gas mining vessel when you apparently no nothing about gas mining Roll
    Reppyk
    The Black Shell
    #10 - 2012-02-11 23:53:07 UTC
    Crucitus wrote:
    There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either.
    You should harvest it and not smoke it.

    Thanks.

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    Crucitus
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #11 - 2012-02-12 00:38:49 UTC
    infra52x wrote:
    Crucitus wrote:
    infra52x wrote:
    This is why we have rigs,modules,implants in the game.


    Hell, while were at it , lets go ahead and make a hacking ship, or dedicated science vessel that can explore strange new worlds, seek out.........


    There are no rigs, modules or implants in the game that benefit Gas Cloud Mining, either.



    I was just making a point of how we need to preserve the sandbox aspect of the game.. By the way Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization--- will help in gas mining as will the alchemist implant set.


    Oh, I didn't know about the alchemist implants. Those are actually pretty nice, the 5% reduction to cycle time especially, however that's only two seconds shaved off the cycle time of T2 Harvesters.

    The Mining Foreman Link you mentioned is pretty nice too, but good luck fitting that on a harvester-fit Ferox. or even any battleship. Not everyone harvests with an Orca or Rorqual in fleet, you know?

    Sure, go ahead and retool the Noctis, or build a third variant of the Primae/Noctis hull that is specialized in gas harvesting.

    To the people who are trolling, I really don't know why you guys are trolling me, sure I don't know everything there is to know about the game, but that doesn't give you a free pass to be d-bags about it. Or maybe it does, there must be some official edict somewhere on the Internet.

    I'll check /v/.

    So CCP, any chance you could take a look-see at this and tell me what you think?

    Thanks.
    Kiroma Halandri
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #12 - 2012-02-12 05:16:29 UTC
    Now that you mention it, gas mining is pretty slow. Long-ish cycle times, short range, low yield, etc. And the fact there isn't a strip miner for gas doesn't help.
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    Crucitus
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #13 - 2012-02-12 05:20:53 UTC
    Kiroma Halandri wrote:
    Now that you mention it, gas mining is pretty slow. Long-ish cycle times, short range, low yield, etc. And the fact there isn't a strip miner for gas doesn't help.


    One can argue the T2 harvester is sort of that, since it's got almost literally twice the efficiency. But yeah I know what you mean.
    Kiroma Halandri
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #14 - 2012-02-12 05:41:25 UTC
    Crucitus wrote:
    Kiroma Halandri wrote:
    Now that you mention it, gas mining is pretty slow. Long-ish cycle times, short range, low yield, etc. And the fact there isn't a strip miner for gas doesn't help.


    One can argue the T2 harvester is sort of that, since it's got almost literally twice the efficiency. But yeah I know what you mean.


    The harvesters still require turret hardpoints. This makes them unusable on Mining Barges.
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    Crucitus
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #15 - 2012-02-12 12:22:19 UTC
    True.
    Vimsy Vortis
    Shoulda Checked Local
    Break-A-Wish Foundation
    #16 - 2012-02-12 19:55:19 UTC
    The potential applications for an ORE industrial ship that has turret hardpoints are limitless.
    Reppyk
    The Black Shell
    #17 - 2012-02-12 20:09:03 UTC
    Crucitus wrote:
    The Mining Foreman Link you mentioned is pretty nice too, but good luck fitting that on a harvester-fit Ferox. or even any battleship. Not everyone harvests with an Orca or Rorqual in fleet, you know?
    [Ferox, learn-to-use-eft]
    Co-Processor II
    Expanded Cargohold II
    Expanded Cargohold II
    Expanded Cargohold II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer

    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Hornet EC-300 x5

    And that's without implant.

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    Velicitia
    XS Tech
    #18 - 2012-02-12 20:18:17 UTC
    Reppyk wrote:
    Crucitus wrote:
    The Mining Foreman Link you mentioned is pretty nice too, but good luck fitting that on a harvester-fit Ferox. or even any battleship. Not everyone harvests with an Orca or Rorqual in fleet, you know?
    [Ferox, learn-to-use-eft]
    Co-Processor II
    Expanded Cargohold II
    Expanded Cargohold II
    Expanded Cargohold II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer

    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Hornet EC-300 x5

    And that's without implant.


    don't forget to bring a buddy along so you can actually use the link Blink

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    Kiroma Halandri
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #19 - 2012-02-12 20:31:52 UTC
    How about we just change the Noctis to get bonuses for archaeology, hacking, and gas harvesting in addition to salvaging. Sure, it might become overpowered, prices might soar, but it would eliminate the need for adding yet more ships to the game. Personally, I think the game is starting to have too many ships, but that is just personal opinion.

    Also, it would need a way to fit Gas Harvesters without needing Turret Hardpoints. For example:

    -1 Turret Hardpoint Requirement for Gas Harvesters (or something like that).

    TL:DR I just don't see the point in making a seperate ship for each mini-profession.
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    Amaroq Dricaldari
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #20 - 2012-02-12 20:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Amaroq Dricaldari
    Reppyk wrote:
    Crucitus wrote:
    The Mining Foreman Link you mentioned is pretty nice too, but good luck fitting that on a harvester-fit Ferox. or even any battleship. Not everyone harvests with an Orca or Rorqual in fleet, you know?
    [Ferox, learn-to-use-eft]
    Co-Processor II
    Expanded Cargohold II
    Expanded Cargohold II
    Expanded Cargohold II

    Large Shield Extender II
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Invulnerability Field II
    Invulnerability Field II
    'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer

    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Gas Cloud Harvester II
    Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Hornet EC-300 x5

    And that's without implant.

    You can only use up to 5 Gas Harvesters at a time due to skill limitations.
    Also, it is better to use 5 light drones instead of 1 heavy drone.

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